Forgiveness

[Jimmy]

I'd rather be at peace rather than forgive.

Forgiveness means it dosent matter when it probably should. But you can be at peace about it.

Looks like you’ve forgiven and don’t even realize it.

 

[Jimmy]

I am saying there should be no shoulds. Whatever you feel you feel and to go against your feelings is dishonest. What's the point?

Do courts of law forgive criminals and let them walk the streets? Why then should others forgive a wrongful action? It makes no sense.
When you forgive someone who committed a wrong it is like saying what they did was okay, but it wasn't okay, so you are not doing that person any favor to let them think it was okay.

You got that all wrong

 

[Jimmy]

Depends what the transgression is.

Sometimes, things are unforgivable.

Nah

 

[Jimmy]

I agree. Forgiveness shouldn't be a blanket expectation. Some people clearly don't deserve it amd will continue to wrong us regardless, so they are off the list. Some won't acknowledge the wrong done so that's a barrier tiwards forgiveness in itself. There just are some times people don't deserve it.

Eh, cut the person out your life. You can still forgive too. It’s not a big deal to forgive. It’s for you anyway. If you’d rather stay bitter that’s your choice

 

[Jimmy]

If we take the dictionary definition of "forgive" to mean letting go of anger and resentment, then I agree with the OP.

However, I think there's a bit more to it than that when it comes to forgiveness. In order for me to forgive someone for an act, they must display some form of contrition. There needs to be a desire for forgiveness. In the case that someone thinks the act was acceptable, I can move past the act and let go of anger and resentment without actually forgiving the person for what they've done.

After all, their actions are about them, not about me.

Sounds like your playing god. Better to forgive then let god sweat the big stuff.

 

[Jimmy]

I don't forgive, unless the offender earns it.
Happens rarely.
But I sometimes forget, which unfortunately
mimics forgiveness.
Do not get on my **** list, people.

Sounds like your playing god. It’s easy to forgive. Why stay bitter?

 

[Revoltingest]

Sounds like your playing god. It’s easy to forgive. Why stay bitter?

There are no gods.
Why forgive people who did & still do evil?
Does my view make you bitter?

 

[ChristineM]

Sounds like your playing god. It’s easy to forgive. Why stay bitter?

Have you ever tried to forgive your rapist or the terrorists who blew your aunts arm off with a bomb or the hooligans who tried to kill your children.

Trust me, forgiveness is not easy but acceptance can come and override bitterness

 

[SalixIncendium]

Sounds like your playing god. Better to forgive then let god sweat the big stuff.

Why?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

There are no gods.
Why forgive people who did & still do evil?
Does my view make you bitter?

Great. We are in debate. What do you mean by people doing evil? Just checking.

 

[Revoltingest]

Great.

I really don't describe myself that way.

 

[Trailblazer]

That's it. I see forgiveness as much more than letting go of anger. It also involves cancelling a debt. It means the person in question doesn't have to do anything (more) to make up for what they have done.

And if that person is dead and died by choice there is no more they can do. Why should they be forgiven, so they can lounge around in heaven with a clear conscience?

While letting go of anger is necessary for my well-being, forgiveness is not.

I am not angry, just hurt.

 

[Trailblazer]

Some things cannot be forgiven. I can live with that

*WINNER*

 

[Trailblazer]

It is through forgiving, that we are forgiven.

Forgiven for what?

 

[Trailblazer]

There is a vast difference between not forgiving someone and wishing them harm.

*WINNER*

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I really don't describe myself that way.

So you deflect again. Great.

 

[Trailblazer]

This garbage about the NEED to forgive under any and all all circumstances comes from religion and I want no part of it.
I believe a person needs to be honest with themselves and others and do what they think is right.
My counselor agrees.

To add to that, this garbage that we are all sinners and need to be forgiven by God comes from religion and I want no part of that.

 

[Trailblazer]

You got that all wrong

*OPTIMISTIC*

 

[Trailblazer]

One thing thay annoys me is when people say they have forgiven someone, but they still want to see that person being punished by law (or by God). If one wants the other to pay for his crimes, that's not forgiveness, right?

and that is why I cannot forgive, since I believe the person in question should be punished in some way.

 

[RestlessSoul]

Forgiven for what?

Our sins. How can I expect God to forgive me for my wrong doings, if I can't forgive those who have wronged me?