Fox Knew They Were Peddling 2020 Election Lies

[metis]

and hatred of 'the other.'

And that's a great point, imo. Many of the "religious right" will say that they didn't like his character but that he was better than the alternative, and/or that they didn't know he would do what we saw on the 6th. But anyone who watched even one of his rallies in 2016 should have realized that he was operating continuously out of hate, not love. Jesus' message was about love, not hate [of the sinner]. I've challenged some here and asked them to watch any one of his rallies and then follow that up by reading Jesus' Sermon On the Mount and compare the tone of both as they are polar opposites.

In short, Jesus was all about belief and character, and yet many on the "religious right" seemingly cannot accept that very simple teaching.

 

[F1fan]

On Nov. 9, as the network was broadcasting a White House press briefing during which press secretary Kayleigh McEnany was making false statements about voter fraud, host Neil Cavuto cut away, telling his viewers he could not “in good countenance continue to show you this.”
Raj Shah, a Fox Corp. executive, wrote to network leadership after the episode, saying Cavuto’s action represented a “brand threat,” according to the filing.

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/...laims-shared-on-network-court-documents-show/​

This all makes me wonder who controls the various shows. I'm sure the hosts have their say what they want to cover and say, but I thought there would be producers of these shows that would have final authority. These text messages and emails suggest the hosts have a lot of control, and are almost like hired guns for a corporation that has no journalistic standards. If FOX had standards they wouldn't be facing a huge payout to Dominion. Will the hosts be held to account? Will FOX establish some standards if, and when, they lose this suit?

 

[Soandso]

I don't think anyone's surprised - not even those who say the election was stolen. This information wouldn't phase them in the least, anyway

 

[Twilight Hue]

What do we think? Whataboutery, it's no different than the dems or it's taken out of context?

Not much different than the numerous MSNBC controversies.

Fox is obviously being targeted, but it's peculiar that others are not.

What this tells me is targets of opportunity are in play, and not any sincere desire for ethical and honest journalism.

Not that I think Fox should get away with being called on, just that if one does that, go after others as well.

 

[Twilight Hue]

This all makes me wonder who controls the various shows. I'm sure the hosts have their say what they want to cover and say, but I thought there would be producers of these shows that would have final authority. These text messages and emails suggest the hosts have a lot of control, and are almost like hired guns for a corporation that has no journalistic standards. If FOX had standards they wouldn't be facing a huge payout to Dominion. Will the hosts be held to account? Will FOX establish some standards if, and when, they lose this suit?

One look at Sinclair, and it tells a pretty dark picture of the state of modern journalism.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I don't think anyone's surprised - not even those who say the election was stolen. This information wouldn't phase them in the least, anyway

People get complacent after a while and just shrug it off as business as usual.

I really wish for the return of the fairness doctrine.

 

[F1fan]

One look at Sinclair, and it tells a pretty dark picture of the state of modern journalism.

Of modern CONSERVATIVE journalism. For the most part mainstream journalism still follows the tradition of ethics. The rise of the internet and the decline of print media has meant a huge disruption in that old model of "news being a public service". The competition for eyeballs has meant the commercializing of many outlets. There are still many objective and high standard news sources available IF that is what the reader wants. We can see poor quality media being used by by certain members by their beliefs and attitudes, and the occassional biased sources they cite in posts.

I have watched FOX on occassion just out of curiosity and could not handle more than a few minutes. I was in journalism in high school and college and find FOX so far from what ethics and objectivity is to consider them nothing more than fraud and propaganda.

 

[Soandso]

People get complacent after a while and just shrug it off as business as usual.

And yet they are still the most watched "news" channel in the USA. People want to feed their delusions, not challenge them

Same goes for cnn and msnbc, IMO - though they aren't as bad as fox, yet

 

[PureX]

Not much different than the numerous MSNBC controversies.

Fox is obviously being targeted, but it's peculiar that others are not.

What this tells me is targets of opportunity are in play, and not any sincere desire for ethical and honest journalism.

Not that I think Fox should get away with being called on, just that if one does that, go after others as well.

But Fox is by far the largest and most blatant offender. And all your deflective claims; "but they did it too!" don't change that fact.

 

[Windwalker]

I have a bit more respect for Tucker Carlson now.

Why? Because privately he knows something is an insidious lie, but publicly he pushes that lie anyway for others to believe in it because it personally profits his bank account?

To me, that make it even more condemnable. If he were simply one of the blind sheep parroting the lies, one could forgive that far more easily than actually knowing better, and doing a disservice to others and the country itself, by selling his own soul for money. It shows a pure disregard for truth and an act against his own conscience.

What is it that you're seeing that makes him smell better in this and not worse?

 

[Twilight Hue]

And yet they are still the most watched "news" channel in the USA. People want to feed their delusions, not challenge them

Same goes for cnn and msnbc, IMO - though they aren't as bad as fox, yet

They all have documented history,

I find it peculiar that Fox is being attacked for it while others seem to get a convenient pass.

 

[Twilight Hue]

But Fox is by far the largest and most blatant offender. And all your deflective claims; "but they did it too!" don't change that fact.

So it's all based on a scale then? Who did it the most?

 

[Windwalker]

They all have documented history,

I find it peculiar that Fox is being attacked for it while others seem to get a convenient pass.

Whataboutism?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Whataboutism?

No. Factism.

 

[Windwalker]

No. Factism.

No sir. This is a "what about these others" argument, in order to lessen the sting against Fox.

Even if others were in reality turn out to be the insidious liars as Fox has been, knowing something is a lie and promoting it anyway leading to violence and death and a distrust in American Democracy for no valid reason, that does not take the spotlight off of Fox.

If down the road there is something as glaringly obvious about others as it is about Fox, then they too should face the music. But this is Fox in the spotlight right now, paying for their sins. So whataboutism, doesn't mean anything here.

 

[PureX]

So it's all based on a scale then? Who did it the most?

No, it's based on the greatest harm being done to the American people by all that deliberate lying.

 

[Twilight Hue]

No, it's based on the greatest harm being done to the American people by all that deliberate lying.

No. It was stated as Fox being the largest and most blatant offender.

Moved the goalposts to now add "greatest harm" to it by "deliberately lying".

 

[PureX]

No. It was stated as Fox being the largest and most blatant offender.

Yes; "OFFENDER". Meaning the one committing the most egregious offense against others.

 

[Revoltingest]

https://www.npr.org/2023/02/16/1157558299/fox-news-stars-false-claims-trump-election-2020
Off the air, Fox News stars blasted the election fraud claims they peddled

 

[Twilight Hue]

Yes; "OFFENDER". Meaning the one committing the most egregious offense against others.

Really?

Who are the others?