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Fox News/Tea Party Railroad??

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I think we shouldn't be too quick to call someone a liar. People make mistakes, especially when the mistakes confirm something
they really like believing. Is NPR a pack of liars too, since they on at least one occasion said that Sara Palin said she could see
Russia from her house. (It was actually Tina Fey, but she makes a pretty convincing Palin, albeit a less attractive one.) I think
they're honest....a little sloppy, but honest.
 

Joe_Stocks

Back from the Dead
Hi Auto,

Thank you. O.K., the big fat liar was Glenn Beck.

Except that she resigned before Beck even talked about her.

They fired her because they thought the video was true. It wasn't. It's that simple.

But if Fox news lies all the time and they reported the story, then why would the Obama administration believe Fox news?
 

Joe_Stocks

Back from the Dead
I think the real problem is liberals' knee-jerk reaction where they call people racists. Congressman Lewis claimed that people called him the N-word, which has been proven false and now liberals in the NAACP and the Obama administration were quick to believe Ms. Sherrod was a racist when that was false as well.

Maybe the lesson here is for liberals to not be so quick with the racist charge.

But I am not holding my breath on that one.
 

Engyo

Prince of Dorkness!
This points out that many who enjoy saying that Fox lies, really don't believe it. To call Fox liars is just an insult & also a way of fostering
plausible disbelievability in the news they report. Lefties really take Fox seriously, but they hate it....it really sticks in their craw.
Naw, Fox just picked up Breitbart's hatchet job and ran with it, because it fits with what their market wants to hear.

Breitbart is the one who will come out the real loser here - nobody is going to touch his stuff now.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Naw, Fox just picked up Breitbart's hatchet job and ran with it, because it fits with what their market wants to hear.

Were that true, then what was Obama's motive for doing the same thing?

Breitbart is the one who will come out the real loser here - nobody is going to touch his stuff now.

Meh.....NYT & WaPo reporter fraud never stopped them. Nothing changes, except Obama's approval rating.
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
The day after the incident, and the day BEFORE the NAACP retracted it's statement, Glenn Beck came down on the USDA and the NAACP. What for? FOR FIRING THIS WOMAN. He said that they did not have all the evidence needed to make such a kneejerk decision, and that it was blatantly unfair for her to be fired before all the facts were in.

He also said that based on what he had observed so far, both the NAACP and the USDA owed her, AT THE LEAST, a public apology. And this was BEFORE the full video was released.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
The day after the incident, and the day BEFORE the NAACP retracted it's statement, Glenn Beck came down on the USDA and the NAACP. What for? FOR FIRING THIS WOMAN. He said that they did not have all the evidence needed to make such a kneejerk decision, and that it was blatantly unfair for her to be fired before all the facts were in.

He also said that based on what he had observed so far, both the NAACP and the USDA owed her, AT THE LEAST, a public apology. And this was BEFORE the full video was released.

Links please! (And none of those smoky link breakfast sausages like last time. I hate those!)
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
You mean that the media you watch didn't cover the rather interesting fact that Glenn Beck is DEFENDING Shirley Sherrod? Here are just a few links:



Fox News host Glenn Beck is coming to the defense of Shirley Sherrod, the USDA official forced to resign after a videotape surfaced of her making what appeared to be racially charged remarks about a white farmer.

On his program Tuesday Beck said Sherrod deserved an opportunity to tell her side of the story before being fired.

Glenn Beck Defends Fired USDA Worker

Excerpt from his show Tuesday:

"They didn't watch the whole video?" Beck asked. "When was the last time the NAACP didn't give someone the benefit of the doubt right away who was African-American? Again I point out the Black Panthers. Now if she is just relating a story from 1986, to make a point about how her racial perceptions changed, this woman deserves her job back."

WATCH: From Glenn Beck to Ben Jealous of the NAACP: Sherrod Should Have Never Been Fired; Democrats and Republicans Unite and Say Sherrod Should be Rehired; Plus Full Video of Shirley Sherrod's Speech - BCNN1
Excerpt:

Beck did wind up attacking the administration on his Fox News talk show, but not for the reason the White House may have expected. "She should not have been fired or forced to resign," the conservative commentator said, pointing out that Sherrod's side of the story was far more complex than initially reported. He even suggested that Sherrod should get her job back and joked about her getting a promotion.

By the way, this particular link, to blackchristiannews.com., is pretty funny. The opening sentence in the article is this:

Mr. Obama, You Threw Your Black Pastor and Church Under the Bus, You Threw Your White Grandmother Under the Bus, But You Have Never Thrown a Black Woman Under the Bus, and You Are Learning Very Quickly that a Sister Will Slow-Walk You Down. Shirley Sherrod Handled You within 24 Hours with Both Hands Tied Behind Her Back.

GO, SISTER, SOUL SISTER!
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
You mean that the media you watch didn't cover the rather interesting fact that Glenn Beck is DEFENDING Shirley Sherrod? Here are just a few links:

Yesterday was a day off - no radio, so I was uninformed instead of misinformed.
 

Smoke

Done here.
The day after the incident, and the day BEFORE the NAACP retracted it's statement, Glenn Beck came down on the USDA and the NAACP. What for? FOR FIRING THIS WOMAN. He said that they did not have all the evidence needed to make such a kneejerk decision, and that it was blatantly unfair for her to be fired before all the facts were in.

He also said that based on what he had observed so far, both the NAACP and the USDA owed her, AT THE LEAST, a public apology. And this was BEFORE the full video was released.
He's crazy as a bedbug, but he was right about that.

It's astonishing to me that nobody asked for context, nobody asked to see the whole video. Breitbart openly says that Matt Drudge is his hero, so you expect this kind of behavior from somebody like Breitbart. But for a news network to have any kind of pretension to journalism, they have to do some kind of investigation. You can't follow the Drudge method of reporting any damned thing you hear that sounds titillating to you, and seeing what sticks. FakeNews is a disgrace. Likewise, Vilsack and the White House are a disgrace for reacting so hysterically and unfairly to the typical Fox ********. Fox speaks; the White House panics. What kind of ******** is that?

And I include the White House because I'm not buying the "Vilsack stands alone" story. Vilsack is culpable, but there's no way the White House wasn't involved in this firing. They were eager to take credit for it when they thought it was good PR to take credit for it.
 

Autodidact

Intentionally Blank
Hi Auto,
Except that she resigned before Beck even talked about her.
Here's the full chronology, if you are interested in nit-picking.
Here's the facts, not that you care:
Breitbart and FOX smeared this innocent woman with a lie, causing her to lose her job. That's what matters--to anyone who values the truth.

But if Fox news lies all the time and they reported the story, then why would the Obama administration believe Fox news?

I answered this once. I don't know, but my guess is that it was a video, so they thought it was real.
 

Autodidact

Intentionally Blank
I think the real problem is liberals' knee-jerk reaction where they call people racists. Congressman Lewis claimed that people called him the N-word, which has been proven false and now liberals in the NAACP and the Obama administration were quick to believe Ms. Sherrod was a racist when that was false as well.

Maybe the lesson here is for liberals to not be so quick with the racist charge.

But I am not holding my breath on that one.

Hello, the ones accusing someone of being racist were conservatives, but why let a little thing like the facts stop you?
 

Autodidact

Intentionally Blank
The day after the incident, and the day BEFORE the NAACP retracted it's statement, Glenn Beck came down on the USDA and the NAACP. What for? FOR FIRING THIS WOMAN. He said that they did not have all the evidence needed to make such a kneejerk decision, and that it was blatantly unfair for her to be fired before all the facts were in.

He also said that based on what he had observed so far, both the NAACP and the USDA owed her, AT THE LEAST, a public apology. And this was BEFORE the full video was released.

Good for him. Sorry, I was assuming Joe was correct--my mistake.
 

Magic Man

Reaper of Conversation
I think they're honest....a little sloppy, but honest.

Then you think wrong. Most of the time, they don't outright lie; they just use only the information that suits their message, and even then they phrase it in ways to make it sound worse. But there are times when they outright lie, and this is clearly one of them. Editing a video to show something that's not the truth is a form of lying.
 

Magic Man

Reaper of Conversation
It's interesting how quickly Fox commentators switched sides in this matter from smearing Sherrod to condemning the Administration for firing Sherrod.

Rachel Maddow Show

Exactly. Is it really surprising? Of course Glenn Beck defended her. At that point it was a way to pick at the administration. It's like the kid who teases and insults the other kid until the other kid beats him up, and then he runs to the teacher to tell her that he beat him up.

Fox shows a video that doesn't makes someone look bad, and then when that person gets fired, they get to jump all over the administration for jumping to the conclusions they were trying to get people to jump to.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Then you think wrong..
Yes sir! I stand corrected by Thou With Infinite Transcendent Superiority.

Am I also wrong for thinking that ABC, NYT & WaPo are equally sloppy when
taken in by hucksters who work on their staff (eg, Dan Rather, Jayson Blair)?
 
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