France rejects the far right

[Copernicus]

France has joined with the UK in turning back the rising tide of right wing political power.

France’s left-wing parties projected to finish first in parliamentary elections, keeping far right at bay

In a surprising upset for the far right, a bloc of left-wing parties is projected to finish first, while President Emmanuel Macron’s centrist alliance is predicted to come in second. Polling agencies suggest National Rally, known in France as RN, is set to come in third, despite having swept to victory after the first round of voting last weekend and polling highest among the parties.

Voter turnout was the highest in decades at 67.1%, and official results are expected early Monday.

 

[Heyo]

France has joined with the UK in turning back the rising tide of right wing political power.

France’s left-wing parties projected to finish first in parliamentary elections, keeping far right at bay

I'm not yet convinced that this is the sign that the pendulum is swinging back, but it shows that the tendencies to the right are limited.

 

[Estro Felino]

I'm not yet convinced that this is the sign that the pendulum is swinging back, but it shows that the tendencies to the right are limited.

I think the problem is not left or right.
There are patriots both on the left and on the right.
And there traitors both on the left and of the right.

Whoever sides with the banking èlites, crushing the people's needs is a traitor.
A traitor to the European values of justice and solidarity.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I think the problem is not left or right.
There are patriots both on the left and on the right.
And there traitors both on the left and of the right.

Whoever sides with the banking èlites, crushing the people's needs is a traitor.
A traitor to the European values of justice and solidarity.

There's a very clear trend in European members generally and mostly and widely not agreeing with what you claim are "European values" or when you claim to speak for Europe.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

France has joined with the UK in turning back the rising tide of right wing political power.

France’s left-wing parties projected to finish first in parliamentary elections, keeping far right at bay

I do find that encouraging that in world going mad that even when it was predicted otherwise France said no to Far Right garbage and said no to Nazi bull**** (unlike America, unfortunately).
Almost makes me want to learn French because, ideologically anyways, they are setting many wonderful examples for an ideal 21st Century Western Liberal Democracy.

 

[Estro Felino]

There's a very clear trend in European members generally and mostly and widely not agreeing with what you claim are "European values" or when you claim to speak for Europe.

I thought you sided with me in the fight to obtain free universal healthcare in every country of the world.
But if that's your desire, you can't side with banking élites because they are the ones who benefit from the billions gained by insurance companies.
People who have a seizure if they don't gain a billion dollar a day.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I thought you sided with me in the fight to obtain free universal healthcare in every country of the world.

We don't disagree over everything. Notice I didn't say always, but that's it's a general trend and usually how it goes. Like your position on Ukraine, which I do not believe I have seen a single other European here agree with you on it.

 

[Estro Felino]

We don't disagree over everything. Notice I didn't say always, but that's it's a general trend and usually how it goes. Like your position on Ukraine, which I do not believe I have seen a single other European here agree with you on it.

You have never said what you think of our PM.
We Italians are Europeans too.
What do you think of her?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

You have never said what you think of our PM.
We Italians are Europeans too.
What do you think of her?

Honestly, I've never found Italy interesting enough to know that much about it. Renaissance Italy I know some things about, but beyond that period and those artists I know there used to be a North and South Italy, it's where Rome is from, Venice and the Leaning Tower, and that's about it.

 

[Estro Felino]

Honestly, I've never found Italy interesting enough to know that much about it. Renaissance Italy I know some things about, but beyond that period and those artists I know there used to be a North and South Italy, it's where Rome is from, Venice and the Leaning Tower, and that's about it.

Interesting.
What countries do you consider "interesting" enough?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Interesting.
What countries do you consider "interesting" enough?

Ireland (including Northern - I'd like to see a unified Ireland), Germany, France and England. Also Scotland in hopes of a vote of independence from England and breaking away from the the UK. Other countries, if I'm interested it tends to be more confined to certain times, like Romania when Vlad Dracul III was alive.

 

[Estro Felino]

Ireland (including Northern - I'd like to see a unified Ireland), Germany, France and England. Also Scotland in hopes of a vote of independence from England and breaking away from the the UK. Other countries, if I'm interested it tends to be more confined to certain times, like Romania when Vlad Dracul III was alive.

I understand. But Italy has many more gold reserves than France and UK. Just saying.

 

[RestlessSoul]

Ireland (including Northern - I'd like to see a unified Ireland), Germany, France and England. Also Scotland in hopes of a vote of independence from England and breaking away from the the UK. Other countries, if I'm interested it tends to be more confined to certain times, like Romania when Vlad Dracul III was alive.

Out of interest, why would you like to see a unified Ireland? And why do you hope Scotland leaves the U.K.? What would be the benefits, and to who, in both cases?

 

[Copernicus]

Getting back to the French election, the reason that the leftist New Popular Front (NPF) came out ahead of Macron's Ensemble and the rightwing National Rally (RN) was something called "strategic voting" in the second round. What happened was that centrist Ensemble candidates and leftist NPF candidates dropped out strategically in districts where they were polling in third place. The idea was to block the RN from winning a decisive majority, and it succeeded beyond all expectations. So the election turned out to be mainly a rejection of the RN, which still ended up with its largest number of parliamentary delegates in its history.

The largest party in the NPF was the extremist France Unbowed (La France Insoumise) led by Jean-Luc Mélenchon, who is widely disliked and stands no chance of forming a government. Because of him, the NPF has no viable candidate for Prime Minister. Macron will most likely try to cobble together a coalition that includes his Ensemble party and elements from the NPF and possibly NR that are willing to form a coalition. Such a coalition would need to survive no confidence votes and would likely fail to survive for long. Alternatively, Macron could try to put together a government of unelected technocrats, but that would have little chance of running an effective government. So France will be somewhat in limbo for the next year, when their constitution allows for new parliamentary elections.

 

[Estro Felino]

Getting back to the French election, the reason that the leftist New Popular Front (NPF) came out ahead of Macron's Ensemble and the rightwing National Rally (RN) was something called "strategic voting" in the second round. What happened was that centrist Ensemble candidates and leftist NPF candidates dropped out strategically in districts where they were polling in third place. The idea was to block the RN from winning a decisive majority, and it succeeded beyond all expectations. So the election turned out to be mainly a rejection of the RN, which still ended up with its largest number of parliamentary delegates in its history.

The largest party in the NPF was the extremist France Unbowed (La France Insoumise) led by Jean-Luc Mélenchon, who is widely disliked and stands no chance of forming a government. Because of him, the NPF has no viable candidate for Prime Minister. Macron will most likely try to cobble together a coalition that includes his Ensemble party and elements from the NPF and possibly NR that are willing to form a coalition. Such a coalition would need to survive no confidence votes and would likely fail to survive for long. Alternatively, Macron could try to put together a government of unelected technocrats, but that would have little chance of running an effective government. So France will be somewhat in limbo for the next year, when their constitution allows for new parliamentary elections.

But I think that socialists won the parliamentarian elections so the PM must necessarily be a socialist.
Not a PM from that elitist, lounge-loving, yacht-loving and caviar-loving Left... who lost the elections.
otherwise France becomes undemocratic....and its international credibility is reduced to zero.

 

[Estro Felino]

We don't disagree over everything. Notice I didn't say always, but that's it's a general trend and usually how it goes. Like your position on Ukraine, which I do not believe I have seen a single other European here agree with you on it.

With all due respect, I don't think you are a socialist as I am.
So I guess you are more a centrist. A liberal centrist.

 

[Kathryn]

Good, I guess.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

With all due respect, I don't think you are a socialist as I am.
So I guess you are more a centrist. A liberal centrist.

I'm around a -9,-9 on a political compass. Thats Socialist Libertarian territory.

 

[Estro Felino]

I'm around a -9,-9 on a political compass. Thats Socialist Libertarian territory.

Socialist is the exact opposite of libertarian.
That's why I debate with @Revoltingest 24/7.

 

[Heyo]

Socialist is the exact opposite of libertarian.
That's why I debate with @Revoltingest 24/7.

Socialist is the opposite of capitalist and libertarian the opposite of authoritarian.
That's why I agree with @Revoltingest on liberty issues and disagree on economy issues.
(I'm also firmly in the lower left corner of the political compass.)