France rejects the far right

[Magic Man]

Not a strawman whatsoever. Nobody and I mean nobody has ever enjoyed any considerable amount of political stability because a preferred side wins.

The last most liked and popular president by the people in US history is still Abraham Lincoln according to Yougov.



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You don't seem to understand what a strawman is. It's when you argue against something that no one is saying because it's easier than arguing against what people are actually saying. In your case:

"The country will now suddenly turn into a paradise utopia with everybody singing kumbaya for ever and ever in perfect harmony."

No one is saying this. This is an extremely exaggerated idea, which makes it easy for you to call out and denounce, but it doesn't represent anything anyone has claimed.

Again, people are just relieved the far right didn't win. That's all. Especially since this government will have a hard time ruling with no majority, no one, or barely anyone, thinks it'll be some wonderful thing. It's just much better than the alternative.

 

[England my lionheart]

I keep asking people, "What do you think that's going to happen? The country will now suddenly turn into a paradise utopia with everybody singing kumbaya for ever and ever in perfect harmony?

It seems like no matter who you elect , France or any other country , there's always going to be conflict, scandals, lies, and crisis and nobody will be happy with the new goverence and the cycle just repeats over and over and over again, back and forth, back and forth.

Unfortunately true,it’s just a cycle of empty promises from from both parties here,Labour ran on a lot of bs and are now our government,”there will not be a rise on income tax”,there’s already talk that there will be.

 

[RestlessSoul]

For them socialism is what they dream of,
ie, economic & social liberty. Problem is
that socialism has never turned out that
way in history.

Actually it has. Social Democracy was prevalent through Western Europe from 1945 until the 80s. Subsequently, successive governments began to be seduced by libertarian capitalist doctrine, to the immeasurable cost of working class communities throughout the continent.

 

[Estro Felino]

Socialist is the opposite of capitalist and libertarian the opposite of authoritarian.

You are confusing libertarian with liberal.
I am also liberal as for society, abortion...blah, blah, blah.

Libertarians are the liberals on the economic level.

So you probably are a centrist. I don't think you are a socialist.

 

[Heyo]

You are confusing libertarian with liberal.
I am also liberal as for society, abortion...blah, blah, blah.

Libertarians are the liberals on the economic level.

So you probably are a centrist. I don't think you are a socialist.

I'm not a socialist and I know it. I used that word because it was used in the post I answered to.
It is also frequently used to identify the left side of the political compass, though usually it is only labelled "left".
I see myself as an anarchist of the syndicalist variety.

 

[Estro Felino]

I'm not a socialist and I know it. I used that word because it was used in the post I answered to.
It is also frequently used to identify the left side of the political compass, though usually it is only labelled "left".
I see myself as an anarchist of the syndicalist variety.

I guess you should reject the eurocracy, then.
And side with the farmers protesting in Germany because of the EU impositions.
Because I side with them.

 

[Revoltingest]

Actually it has. Social Democracy was prevalent through Western Europe from 1945 until the 80s. Subsequently, successive governments began to be seduced by libertarian capitalist doctrine, to the immeasurable cost of working class communities throughout the continent.

You're using something other than a dictionary
definition of "socialism", which is "the people"
owning the means of production.
"Social Democracy" is not the same term as
"socialism".
There is no positive example of socialism, ie,
the people owning the means of production,
which means no private ownership.

Don't be "seduced" by socialist promises of
freely flowing manna from Heaven if Uncle
Sam takes over the means of production.

 

[RestlessSoul]

You're using something other than a dictionary
definition of "socialism", which is "the people"
owning the means of production.
"Social Democracy" is not the same term as
"socialism".
There is no positive example of socialism, ie,
the people owning the means of production,
which means no private ownership.

Don't be "seduced" by socialist promises of
freely flowing manna from Heaven if Uncle
Sam takes over the means of production.

I’m talking about mixed economies with some degree of central planning, supporting a welfare state built on the principle that government has a key role to play in ensuring even distribution of wealth, and a duty to ensure the well-being of all it’s citizens.

I recognise that as an American, you have been brainwashed into a horror of Socialism, coupled with only a scant understanding of what the term means, in principle or in practice. Most European democracies have at least one mainstream political party which is avowedly socialist.

 

[Revoltingest]

I’m talking about mixed economies with some degree of central planning, supporting a welfare state built on the principle that government has a key role to play in ensuring even distribution of wealth, and a duty to ensure the well-being of all it’s citizens.

I too advocate an effective welfare state, with useful regulation.
But with private ownership of the means of production.
This is not socialism. It's capitalism.

I recognise that as an American, you have been brainwashed into a horror of Socialism....

As a Limey, perhaps tis you...brainwashed to
believe that giving government total control
of the economy will end all woes.
It's never worked.
Any time.
Anywhere.
Belief that somehow the next time it'll bring social
& economic liberty is a fantasy akin to religion, ie,
without reason or evidence.

...coupled with only a scant understanding....

Don't make me post an IRONY gif.

of what the term means, in principle or in practice. Most European democracies have at least one mainstream political party which is avowedly socialist.

Time to grow up, & not expect government
to become a parental figure to all.