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France rejects the far right

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
A higher quality of life isn't cheap like the facade of quality and cheapness we have in America.
Is it really higher for all?
Wouldn't likely be for me.
But at least they're capitalistic.
So I'd have more liberty than under socialism.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Is it really higher for all?
Yes. When labor is adequately and fairly reimbursed, products are not from sweat shops, farm animals given healthy amounts of room and food, prices are going to be higher for all. But people have more money, they are getting more for their taxes, and in the end they tend to be better off than we are.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Yes. When labor is adequately and fairly reimbursed, products are not from sweat shops, farm animals given healthy amounts of room and food, prices are going to be higher for all. But people have more money, they are getting more for their taxes, and in the end they tend to be better off than we are.
I can see an argument of being generally better.
But not for all. I like having much property, &
many things. Harder to do there. Here I needn't
be wealthy for my lifestyle.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
If the majority favors your "lounge-loving leftists led by Rothschild Junior" then that is how democracy works, no matter what you think the results should be. If one favors democratic elections, then one has to be prepared for disappointments, but not as prepared as one must be with alternative methods of forming governments.
Agree with you -- that's the price we pay for our right to participate and vote. I've been disappointed in many elections during my life, but I have always accepted that what the electorate decides is the government we'll have. Whether I'm thrilled with it or not, I must live with it. Yes, I can protest, I can fight another day, but I have always accepted the choices made by our voters.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I don’t see this as a victory for anyone,definitely not for France,who can govern?,imo it’s going to be a disaster and although the far right lost it also gained.
I keep asking people, "What do you think that's going to happen? The country will now suddenly turn into a paradise utopia with everybody singing kumbaya for ever and ever in perfect harmony?

It seems like no matter who you elect , France or any other country , there's always going to be conflict, scandals, lies, and crisis and nobody will be happy with the new goverence and the cycle just repeats over and over and over again, back and forth, back and forth.
 

Jayhawker Soule

-- untitled --
Premium Member
And now ...

... back to reality:​

The New Popular Front, a resurgent if fractious left-wing alliance, came in first with about 180 seats in the National Assembly and immediately demanded that President Emmanuel Macron ask it to form a government, saying it would put forward its choice of prime minister in the next week.​
This demand ignored several things. Under the Constitution, Mr. Macron chooses the prime minister. In the 577-seat National Assembly, the New Popular Front is some 100 seats short of having a workable majority. It was not the program of the left-wing alliance that won it all its seats, but a combination of that and a decision by centrists and the left to form a “Republican front” of unity against the National Rally in the second round of voting.​
Despite this, Jean-Luc Mélenchon, the combative left-wing leader, said he would not negotiate with potential coalition partners, nor change a single sentence of the left’s program.​
None of this boded well for lifting the thick fog with which Mr. Macron’s snap “clarification” election has enveloped Paris.​

And reality may prove to be tenuous.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Are you also near dementia? We had that question, several times.
I don't remember.
I do remember you thinking Eurocracy is the most beautiful thing in the world.
Forgetting that sooner or later Italy will quit the Eurozone. Followed by all other Southern Europe countries.
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
I don't remember.
I do remember you thinking Eurocracy is the most beautiful thing in the world.
Forgetting that sooner or later Italy will quit the Eurozone. Followed by all other Southern Europe countries.
Then, again, I think that compound interest lending is one of the worst things humans have invented. Banks usually have more power than governments. I don't believe in a global cabal, but there have been examples that are conspiracies, like the Greece deal. You and I may have different understanding of how banking works, but I assure you we share the disdain.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Then, again, I think that compound interest lending is one of the worst things humans have invented. Banks usually have more power than governments. I don't believe in a global cabal, but there have been examples that are conspiracies, like the Greece deal. You and I may have different understanding of how banking works, but I assure you we share the disdain.
Mine is not simple disdain. It goes much further than that.
It's political activism. And this usurocracy must be undone, because what happened in Greece is not forgiven and forgotten. At all.
Eurocracy will collapse, and seeing how things are escalating at European level, these eurocrats should leave Europe for good.

And by the way, I have a law degree. I studied macroeconomics after graduation.
I know what I am talking about.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Then how did you manage to come up with Ukraine officially being a dictatorship?
The word dictator comes from Latin dictator, and it was when in times of war, there was no election of the two consuls (due to war), so a dictator was elected. Ruling for max 6 months,
So it absolutely fits.

But I guess we have evolved from that warlike stage. We have become more civilized.
 

Regiomontanus

Eastern Orthodox
The word dictator comes from Latin dictator, and it was when in times of war, there was no election of the two consuls (due to war), so a dictator was elected. Ruling for max 6 months,
So it absolutely fits.

But I guess we have evolved from that warlike stage. We have become more civilized.


Not yet a dictatorship, but

 

Magic Man

Reaper of Conversation
I keep asking people, "What do you think that's going to happen? The country will now suddenly turn into a paradise utopia with everybody singing kumbaya for ever and ever in perfect harmony?

It seems like no matter who you elect , France or any other country , there's always going to be conflict, scandals, lies, and crisis and nobody will be happy with the new goverence and the cycle just repeats over and over and over again, back and forth, back and forth.
This is a strawman. People are relieved didn't gain the power they were expected to. No one claims this is a perfect situation or that it will turn things into a utopia. It's just better than the alternative, an alternative that seemed a foregone conclusion.

In a democracy, there will always be conflict, lies and scandals. That's part of the system. It's not a matter of getting rid of that stuff. It's a matter of minimizing it and having a country that works as well as it can for the vast majority of people.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
This is a strawman. People are relieved didn't gain the power they were expected to. No one claims this is a perfect situation or that it will turn things into a utopia. It's just better than the alternative, an alternative that seemed a foregone conclusion.

In a democracy, there will always be conflict, lies and scandals. That's part of the system. It's not a matter of getting rid of that stuff. It's a matter of minimizing it and having a country that works as well as it can for the vast majority of people.
Not a strawman whatsoever. Nobody and I mean nobody has ever enjoyed any considerable amount of political stability because a preferred side wins.

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