I don't think there is TOTALLY free will....<>ie.<>in our city, most murders are committed by a certain race in a certain area...so, if there is free will, how come these murders are committed this way...do 'they' have 'less' free will to murder??..or is it problems with socio-economic,cultural/etc.?...
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free will
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waitasec
Veteran Member
i'm not sure i follow
murder is done across the board, no matter the race, gender or economic status...
Eliot Wild
Irreverent Agnostic Jerk
Let me guess, I bet it is those pesky gnomes down by the cemetary again, isn't it? Those ********!! They're always killin' and murderin' and snortin' their crack and their crank and boozin' it up with dwarven hoes, spreading clap around town where us decent human folk can't even go for a piece of strange anymore without needin' five kinds of shots the day after. Disgusting gnomes!!! I can't stand 'em.
But, more to the point, I would say that we humans have as much freewill as those bloody gnomes, especially when it comes to white collar crimes like fraud, embezzlement, theft by deception, not to mention political crimes, which are demographically skewed in our favor, no matter what city one lives in.
strikeviperMKII
Well-Known Member
Why is paying your taxes not free will, while not paying them is?
Or is free will only doing what we want? Whereas doing what we don't want is not free will?
That doesn't make sense to me, because in both situations you have the choice to do what you want and what you don't want. I thought free will was the ability to chose, not the ability to avoid the consequences of a choice.
CarlinKnew
Well-Known Member
Free will is nonsense, but so is your post.
Thesavorofpan
Is not going to save you.
The notion of Free will is that we have choices to every situation.
wrong---Dept of Justice and stats say blacks commit murder way out of proportion to their population as compared to other races...here, the majority is white, so you would think at least as many Ws commit the sin of murder..but-no--blacks commit murder significantly more...I'm saying blacks commit the sin of murder at a much higher rate per population...why???free will???ty 4 r
EverChanging
Well-Known Member
If what you say is true, it has more to do, in my opinion, with factors like socio-economic status as you say -- whether such people grew up in ghettos, experienced discrimination, etc. would be important to consider. Even assuming that, we shouldn't pick on any one race: most pedophiles are married, straight men....
But your assertion that blacks across the board commit more murder, rather than in just one particular area (if that's even true) sounds like total BS to me and might be motivated by racism.
And no, I don't believe in free will. I think all choices are determined, and if any random elements are involved in behavior, that's not any more free.
But your assertion that blacks across the board commit more murder, rather than in just one particular area (if that's even true) sounds like total BS to me and might be motivated by racism.
And no, I don't believe in free will. I think all choices are determined, and if any random elements are involved in behavior, that's not any more free.
ninerbuff
godless wonder
Free will (as directed here by beliefs) shouldn't have any constraints or consequence. If the "choice" is the colors of black or white without a judging of the choice and no ramifications on selection, then it is a free will choice.
If an inmate is ordered to kill another inmate, or be killed by not obeying, the inmate will suffer a consequence for disobeying. His "free will" is taken from him and if he makes the choice of killing the other inmate, it's not because he wanted to, it's because he really had no choice.
racism has nothing to do with facts...blacks commit murder way more than whites per population...how is that racist??no one is picking on any race...I'm using the sin of murder as a stat....people are real quick to cry racism...
I'm using the sin of murder as an example...why do blacks commit the sin of murder much more than whites per population??..do they have less free will with regards to the sin of murder???
If they do, it is probably because of social class, level of education, culture and community disputes. It is not that each individual born is destined to commit crime due to their colour of skin, it is usually environmental in my opinion.
Many immigrants (in Europe) have lower wealth initially, so they received lower education, poorer living conditions etc. As countries are environmental, minorities tend to be isolated or form communities. These communities out live their founders, who were poor or foreign. So 100 years later problems show themselves to exist within a community which is essential born on par to the rest of the people. This leads to mistaken identity based on colour of skin or genetic origin. The problem is essential historic and communal.
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waitasec
Veteran Member
a persons predicament is just that.
you deal with what you have...
if you only had $200 to your name
and i had $2,000 to mine
and we each donated $100. who gave more?
your 50% of what you had
or my 5% of what i had.
it's the same amount however the amount means something different for each of us...
the same goes for free will. you deal with what you have.
thank you for a common sense-finally- reply..so, do you believe free will has anything to do with it<>murder-sin??
thanks for the reply--so, you're saying free will is affected by other things??
Hi BIG D
No, I do not believe it is free will. People act on desires and repulsion. Recognising this helps to explain why people act apparently illogically.
Now, for me, free will does not exist.
Good point. Welcome to the forum.