Freemasonry and Satanism

[Estro Felino]

Nobody can deny that the most powerful bankers in the world join the several international Freemasonries.
Even Mario Draghi, President of the ECB, joins Freemasonry.

Freemasonry is rumored to worship Satan and to establish initiation rituals , which are Satanic rituals
Rumors or Truth?

 

[ScuzManiac]

Freemasonry is very secretive....

But I seriously doubt that REAL chapters practice any type of Satanic rituals.

 

[Estro Felino]

Freemasonry is very secretive....

But I seriously doubt that REAL chapters practice any type of Satanic rituals.

Well, they don't need to practice them, given that worshiping money is already a Satanic thing

 

[ScuzManiac]

Well, they don't need to practice them, given that worshiping money is already a Satanic thing

That's true.

But not everyone involved with Freemasonry has money.

But I guess that doesn't mean they can't still worship it either.

 

[Looncall]

Nobody can deny that the most powerful bankers in the world join the several international Freemasonries.
Even Mario Draghi, President of the ECB, joins Freemasonry.

Freemasonry is rumored to worship Satan and to establish initiation rituals , which are Satanic rituals
Rumors or Truth?

Bah, silly old lies. Do you spread the blood libels against the jews too?

 

[Estro Felino]

Bah, silly old lies. Do you spread the blood libels against the jews too?

I surely don't. Jews are great people and have nothing to do with Freemasonry.
But nobody can deny it that the Rothschilds are Jewish

 

[NewGuyOnTheBlock]

First, we need to define "satanic".

For example, a specific definition of Satanic would mean "Of or relating to worshiping Satan".

There are other more ambiguous terms to describe "Satanism". For example, there are those who believe that Pagans, Druids and Wiccans are "Satanists".

So, let's define "Satanism" so that we can address the question by guessing what you mean.

I am not trying to be inflammatory. But without a proper definition of what constitutes "Satanism", in the context of this question, there is no real way to answer the question.

 

[sojourner]

Oh, yay! Yet another juvenile Masonry-bashing thread, with the OP argument based upon nothing more than gossip, rumor, and supposition. :face palm:

I swear, some people could find evil conspiracy in kittens.

 

[Estro Felino]

First, we need to define "satanic".

For example, a specific definition of Satanic would mean "Of or relating to worshiping Satan".

Satan is not necessarily related to the Christian world. It can be worshiped even in the pagan world.
That's how I define Satan, or "the serpent that Mary crushed with her foot."

Satan is the affirmation that man is selfish and doomed to evil. It represents the animal struggle for survival, or jungle law, so Satanists are the ones who fight for their own good, and destroy the good of mankind.
Satanism is the pursue of greed and money-hunger. That's what I meant when I said that money-hunger is devilish.
Satan is the negation that man can become altruistic, pure and sinless, through renounce and sacrifice.
Satan is the negation of Love towards the neighbor, and the affirmation of love toward oneself.
Satan is the soul's death.

 

[NewGuyOnTheBlock]

Then my vote is "Absolutely Not".

Satan is the affirmation that man is selfish and doomed to evil. It represents the animal struggle for survival, or jungle law, so Satanists are the ones who fight for their own good, and destroy the good of mankind. [Many of the Founding Fathers were freemasons and they drafted the Constitution of the United States and the Bill of Rights. These documents give freedom to citizens; including those who disagree with the Masons. "Equal Protection Under The Law" and "Freedom of Religion" certainly are not freedoms that would be given to all citizens had the Masons been simply "looking out after their own good".]

Satanism is the pursue of greed and money-hunger. That's what I meant when I said that money-hunger is devilish. [Freemasons have many members; some of those members share the value you are describing, others do not. If the organization, itself, were founded on this principle, those who do not share that value would not be admitted.]

Satan is the negation that man can become altruistic, pure and sinless, through renounce and sacrifice. [As freemasons do not allow serious felons into their ranks, as they allow Christians into their ranks, then the organization itself does not promotes this value; if the organization did promote this value, likely they would not allow those who do not share this value into their ranks].

Satan is the negation of Love towards the neighbor, and the affirmation of love toward oneself. [As the Freemasons are known to give generously to not for profit organizations that are striving to feed the hungry, clothe the poor and heal the sick, then I'd say that the freemasons do not meet this definition].

Satan is the soul's death. [I can not adequately respond to this definition as the presence of a "soul" is something I do not believe even exists].

 

[Looncall]

Nobody can deny that the most powerful bankers in the world join the several international Freemasonries.
Even Mario Draghi, President of the ECB, joins Freemasonry.

Freemasonry is rumored to worship Satan and to establish initiation rituals , which are Satanic rituals
Rumors or Truth?

Initiation rituals are satanic? Really? Like baptisms, office-taking ceremonies, Boy Scout customs etc? You make no sense.

 

[Estro Felino]

Initiation rituals are satanic? Really? Like baptisms, office-taking ceremonies, Boy Scout customs etc? You make no sense.

I think you misread me. I said, that their initiation rituals are rumored to be Satanic

 

[Estro Felino]

Then my vote is "Absolutely Not".

.

How can you be so sure that Freemasons have nothing to do with Satanism? Are you a Freemason, by chance?

 

[NewGuyOnTheBlock]

Ah! Still, I say "no". I chalk it up to rumor.

 

[Quintessence]

How can you be so sure that Freemasons have nothing to do with Satanism? Are you a Freemason, by chance?

Why are you so convinced there is any meaningful connection?

 

[Estro Felino]

Why are you so convinced there is any meaningful connection?

It's just a doubt
When you bring me evidence, I will stop doubting that there is a connection.

 

[Estro Felino]

Ah! Still, I say "no". I chalk it up to rumor.

I forgot one last thing.
Satan is division, and the desire to generate division in mankind.
Nobody can deny it that Freemasons think they are the chosen people, and they think they are better than simple farmers

So Freemasonry likes division and so therefore it is devilish

 

[NewGuyOnTheBlock]

How can you be so sure that Freemasons have nothing to do with Satanism? Are you a Freemason, by chance?

1. For the reasons previously specified.
2. No.

 

[Quintessence]

It's just a doubt
When you bring me evidence, I will stop doubting that there is a connection.

As I said in another thread recently: take any two things. It isn't hard to find a connection or correspondence between them. We can always find one. Now, whether or not the connection is meaningful or says what you want it to say is another matter entirely.

I'm disinclined to take this thread seriously if you aren't going to present evidence of any meaningful connection between the two. You made the original claim. I presume you have a substantial reason for thinking there's a meaningful connection other than baseless hearsay, rumors, or hunches.

 

[Estro Felino]

As I said in another thread recently: take any two things. It isn't hard to find a connection or correspondence between them. We can always find one. Now, whether or not the connection is meaningful or says what you want it to say is another matter entirely.

I'm disinclined to take this thread seriously if you aren't going to present evidence of any meaningful connection between the two. You made the original claim. I presume you have a substantial reason for thinking there's a meaningful connection other than baseless hearsay, rumors, or hunches.

Well, lots of cases were resolved thanks to rumors. Rumors induced people to investigate and then the truth came out.
So rumors are relevant for any investigation. By the way, the difference between you and me is that you are absolutely sure that there is no connection.
Whereas I said that mine is just a doubt: so I'm not sure, I need rassuration through evidence. I think that meeting a freemason would help me figure out this