Nobody can deny that the most powerful bankers in the world join the several international Freemasonries.
Even Mario Draghi, President of the ECB, joins Freemasonry.
Freemasonry is rumored to worship Satan and to establish initiation rituals , which are Satanic rituals
Rumors or Truth?
Well, since Satanism as a formal religion only developed in the late 20th century, and formal freemasonry existed far before that I would say no. And Freemasonry quite possibly even existed prior to the advent of the term Satan, which is an Essene term most likely originating in the hundreds B.C., and most definitely before the advent of Christianity I would say no.
There have definitely been some powerful people that were freemasons, and I think that is one of the benefits of becoming a freemason; that you get to possibility meet people that are prominent figures in society.
Also, in most lodges, a belief in God is required to be admitted into a lodge, and the main objective for being in a lodge is fellowship amongst your fellow man, and the development of strong morals.
Look for yourself
HOW TO BECOME A FREE MASON - Joining the Masonic fraternity.
I do think there are a lot of people that we most would consider "evil" that are freemasons, but that is not necessarily because they are freemasons, but rather because they had already developed these traits as they grew up.
Satan is not necessarily related to the Christian world. It can be worshiped even in the pagan world.
That's how I define Satan, or "the serpent that Mary crushed with her foot."
So Satan is a snake. Well in that case, I think it's safe to say there aren't any snakes that are members of freemason lodges, I could be wrong though.
Satan is the affirmation that man is selfish and doomed to evil.
Kinda like the concept of original sin?
Original sin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
It represents the animal struggle for survival, or jungle law, so Satanists are the ones who fight for their own good, and destroy the good of mankind.
I think a legitimate argument could be made that the Catholic Church fits this description very nicely. The Crusades, the Inquisition, the Dark age of Europe, and I think there are a few more instances of scenarios just like these.
Satanism is the pursue of greed and money-hunger. That's what I meant when I said that money-hunger is devilish.
The Vatican is pretty wealthy from what I have gathered. Wouldn't that indicate a pursuit of greed?
Roman Catholics: The Vatican's Wealth - TIME
It seems to me as though indulgences used by the Catholic church during the medieval times could be seen as money hunger and greed as well.
Indulgence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Satan is the negation that man can become altruistic, pure and sinless, through renounce and sacrifice.
Yet again, original sin?
Satan is the negation of Love towards the neighbor, and the affirmation of love toward oneself. Satan is the soul's death.
Doesn't the Bible say love thy neighbor as thyself, or something like that. Wouldn't that indicate that you should both love yourself, and your neighbor equally?
Well, lots of cases were resolved thanks to rumors. Rumors induced people to investigate and then the truth came out.
So rumors are relevant for any investigation.
I agree, rumors serve there purpose as far as investigation goes, but they only serve the purpose of initiating investigation, not as an actual part of the investigation itself.
By the way, the difference between you and me is that you are absolutely sure that there is no connection.
Mmmh, your certainty in describing the thought processes and attitudes of another person indicate that you are just as guilty yourself, as what you accuse of others, and
Whereas I said that mine is just a doubt: so I'm not sure, I need rassuration through evidence. I think that meeting a freemason would help me figure out this
My interpretation of your posts seem to indicate otherwise. And considering that you posted "that you are not "envious" of another member on these forums who has friends that are freemasons", would indicate that meeting a freemason would not be a good thing in your opinion.
The truth is that an Italian writer wrote that some Italian bankers joining Freemasonry, used to practice Satanic initiation rituals before a grave, in the cemetery.
You post this, and expect us to consider any of it without even posting a link to the information that you cite.
The truth is that a writer wrote that Jesus came down to earth in a space ship... See how that works?
An anthropologist has been murdered because she was investigating about this Lodge.
Yet again, you post something outrageous without posting any evidence that supports your stance.
Jesus was murdered because he was an alien investigating the human species. See how that works?
well...these facts make me believe that there is a connection.
I am not a visionary. There must be something truthful.
The facts that Jesus came down to earth in a spaceship, and that he was murdered because he was an alien investigating the human species make me believe there is a connection between Jesus and extra-terrestrials. There must be something truthful. See how that works?
By the way, I don't understand why you are so sure that all Freemasons are not Satanists. How do you know? Do you know all the Freemasons of the world?
You asked if the Freemasons practiced Satanic rituals, and worshipped Satan "as an organization", not that individual members were Satanists. There's a big difference between the two. Considering the link to the freemason education site that I posted earlier, I doubt Satanic views would correlate nicely to the public views held by freemasons.
How are sure that all Christians are not Satanists? How do you know? Do you know all the Christians in the world?
And why do you defend them so much, as if they were your personal heroes?
So because you defend a group, that makes them your personal heroes? I think he is more likely defending the stance that he believes you are making baseless, unsupported, and generally ignorant statements rather than defending the freemasons themselves.... I could be wrong though.
I don't care what Freemasons let people think about themselves. Appearance is absolutely irrelevant, given that they are secret societies and they have never done things above board.
Well they do have rituals, and if you consider rituals "Satanic", then I guess they could be considered Satanic, but then you would have to consider the Catholic church Satanic as well, as they Catholic Masses are filled with ritual.
My thread is just for knowing if there are people from different countries who have some relevant information and\or evidence about this connection.
It seems as though the formal freemason society originated as a sort of "regulatory commission" for stoneworkers in the 14th century. So I guess you could say they were like an "Angie's List" of the 14th century. Here, read for yourself.
Freemasonry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I don't really care what Freemasons do. Because if they hurt people, they will receive their eternal reward in the afterlife. That will be my satisfaction (Blessed those who hunger and thirst for justice, for they will be satisfied)
So does the same apply Catholics and Christians in general? If they hurt people, they will receive their eternal reward in the afterlife? Because I'm sure there are plenty of Christians that have hurt people.
You say you're undecided on whether freemasonry is Satanic or not, but by the tone of your posts, it seems as though you already decided. Secondly, you speak of an entire organization of 2,000,000+ people as if though they all act exactly the same way. I'm sure there are freemasons that have hurt people, just as I'm sure that there are Christians that have hurt people. I'd also wager to say that they're are "Satanists" within the freemasons, but I doubt that Freemasonry is a "Satanic" organization, whatever that means.
