Freemasonry and Satanism

[oldbadger]

Indeed. The Vatican is controlled by Cardinals who are mostly Freemasons. Excluding the Pope, the Vatican is controlled by devilish and money-hungry and shady Cardinals.....................

Whooaaaahhh!
Excluding the Pope, the controlling Cardinals are not good?
Somehow, by the grace of God, these 'not good' Cardinals voted for a good person to be Pope?
.....not bad.....

 

[Estro Felino]

Satanic? You could argue that our whole world is that......

Precisely, this Earth is ruled by Satan. But it doesn't imply that we all should passively accept it. We have to fight against Satan, at cost of our lives

 

[oldbadger]

Precisely, this Earth is ruled by Satan. But it doesn't imply that we all should passively accept it. We have to fight against Satan, at cost of our lives

How will you fight against Satan?
How will you start?
How will you risk your life in your cause?
How have you risked, up until now?
Why do you belong to a faith which you do not trust?

 

[Estro Felino]

How will you fight against Satan?
How will you start?
How will you risk your life in your cause?
How have you risked, up until now?
Why do you belong to a faith which you do not trust?

I will try to discover all the shady business in my town, made by local authorities: that's a good start. I will report any social injustice, and mismanagement of local administration, and then I will join national projects about destroying "the powerful"

I have already risked. The mayor of my town hates me. He hates me and the ones who support me.

 

[McBell]

I'm sorry to disappoint you, but secrecy is devilish, because if they had nothing to hide, they would do all things above board.
Any hierarchical system is devilish. Besides, a brilliant Italian anthropologist, Cecilia Gatto Trocchi, was found dead in her house, in 2006. She was the most Catholic professor in La Sapienza University: she could have never committed suicide. She was evidently murdered: she was investigating about Italian Freemasons, Bankers, etc.
The horrendous murders that occurred between the sixties and the eighties in Florence, commonly known as "Il mostro d Firenze", were definitively defined as "Satanic rituals", probably ordered by high Freemasonry chiefs.

Nothing but speculative ratification.

Well, I will find the truth, sooner or later.

Oh, you will find the truth.
In fact, I bet you will stumble over it, pick yourself up, brush yourself off, and continue as if nothing happened.

 

[sojourner]

Chip on shoulder? That would (EDIT: 'might be true!' ) be true if I had never been approached........ I have been on several occasions throughout my life.
I thought that Americans had mostly turned their backs upon social and political hierarchies? Do you like class systems? Maybe in America it's different to here.

To join many top clubs here you must be a freemason. Others will allow suitable people to join, but nobody may become a committee member unless they are a mason (such as our best yacht-clubs). Masonry is exclusive, and tiered. The pyramid is a perfect symbol of the levels of secrecy and exclusion. If you support these concepts then go for it.

But I don't think that you can. If you apply, meet two masons who are prepared to reference or guarantee you without having known you (!), etc etc, I don't think that you would be able to go through with it.

It's a question of whether you could get up, leave your home, travel, go to a place where you would be surrounded by strangers, subjected to unusual, tense, stressful and strange ceremonies....... in situations where you would need calm, collected courage.

Could you do that? If so, then start now. Get up, go out, get a job, a position........ and become the person that Masons seek to join them. And then you will have joined a class system.

I thought you wanted a flat playing field.......

This is sooo mistaken. And I can tell you that if it is happening, those Freemasons who show such preferment need to be reported to their respective Grand Lodges, for that is a Masonic offense.

 

[sojourner]

I'm sorry to disappoint you, but secrecy is devilish, because if they had nothing to hide, they would do all things above board.
Any hierarchical system is devilish. Besides, a brilliant Italian anthropologist, Cecilia Gatto Trocchi, was found dead in her house, in 2006. She was the most Catholic professor in La Sapienza University: she could have never committed suicide. She was evidently murdered: she was investigating about Italian Freemasons, Bankers, etc.
The horrendous murders that occurred between the sixties and the eighties in Florence, commonly known as "Il mostro d Firenze", were definitively defined as "Satanic rituals", probably ordered by high Freemasonry chiefs.

Well, I will find the truth, sooner or later.

Everything that is done is done above-board. In fact, no Mason may associate with another who is doing something clandestine.

Want the truth? Here it is.

 

[sojourner]

Indeed. The Vatican is controlled by Cardinals who are mostly Freemasons. Excluding the Pope, the Vatican is controlled by devilish and money-hungry and shady Cardinals who will be judged in the afterlife for their secret business. And lots of Catholics think the same things
Besides, pointing the finger to other perpetrators, doesn't free Freemasonry from my accusations. Freemasonry remains something shady and rumored.



Finally you said it all. Of course this is the most devilish thing in the world. Because this means that the highest positions will always be filled by Freemasons, and the world will always be ruled by them. This is against social justice, because if you want to reach a high position you have to earn it.
Freemasons think they are better than the others. That's why they create this secret societies, because they think they are the chosen people (most of them are Calvinist, like the Pilgrim Father). We all are the same: a lawyer is not better than a farmer, and a farmer deserves to be happy as a lawyer does.
Money-hunger is devilish. If you destroy social equality, you can't clean your conscience by doing charity.

Ummm... you do know, of course, that Roman Catholics are precluded from becoming Freemasons? Vatican Cardinals are not freemasons. Again: Some people can find evil conspiracy in kittens.

 

[sojourner]

Freemasons think they are better than the others. That's why they create this secret societies, because they think they are the chosen people (most of them are Calvinist, like the Pilgrim Father). We all are the same: a lawyer is not better than a farmer, and a farmer deserves to be happy as a lawyer does.

Sorry. This is misinformation.

 

[Estro Felino]

Sorry. This is misinformation.

So can a simple farmer or a baker join Freemasonry?
This speech sounds like you are a Freemason. You are too sure about what you say
aren't you?

 

[NewGuyOnTheBlock]

A friend of mine joined the Masons. He was an average joe, with barely more than an HS education, an agnostic, almost penniless. A far cry from the sinister, powerful, rich that is supposed to be synonymous with Freemasonry. The problem with paranoid thinking is that the paranoids would gleefully destroy organizations, religions and governments based on nothing except unprovable and false allegations. This kind of thinking, when devoid of credible evidence, is dangerous and destructive.

 

[sojourner]

So can a simple farmer or a baker join Freemasonry?
This speech sounds like you are a Freemason. You are too sure about what you say
aren't you?

Yes. A farmer, a street person, a banker, a U.S. president, a lawyer, a construction worker can all be Freemasons. In fact, the least educated, least financially well-off, least socially-positioned man can become master of the lodge, -- and the president who's a member of that Lodge would have to listen to him and defer to him Masonically.

I am a Master Mason and have held the highest office in the local Lodge. Yes, I know what I'm talking about. Unfortunately, you're speculating about things that have no basis in anything other than blind rumor. You needn't fear Freemasonry.

 

[Estro Felino]

I am a Master Mason and have held the highest office in the local Lodge. Yes, I know what I'm talking about. Unfortunately, you're speculating about things that have no basis in anything other than blind rumor. You needn't fear Freemasonry.

Very well. But you can convince me that the Lodge you join is absolutely clean and inspired by Christian values. I am sure about that.
But you will never -and I underline never- convince me that all the Italian lodges are like yours. No, sir. I think that there are Italian Freemasons who decided to use Satanism to make deals with the devil and attain absolute power.


Besides, I am pretty sure, that all Freemasons feel superior to the rest of mankind. And even if you are going to deny it to me right now, I put it into your conscience.

 

[NewGuyOnTheBlock]

Very well. But you can convince me that the Lodge you join is absolutely clean and inspired by Christian values. I am sure about that.
But you will never -and I underline never- convince me that all the Italian lodges are like yours. No, sir. I think that there are Italian Freemasons who decided to use Satanism to make deals with the devil and attain absolute power.


Besides, I am pretty sure, that all Freemasons feel superior to the rest of mankind. And even if you are going to deny it to me right now, I put it into your conscience.

So, not only do you believe that which you choose to believe with lack of evidence, but you believe that which you choose to believe in spite of evidence.

 

[McBell]

Very well. But you can convince me that the Lodge you join is absolutely clean and inspired by Christian values. I am sure about that.
But you will never -and I underline never- convince me that all the Italian lodges are like yours. No, sir. I think that there are Italian Freemasons who decided to use Satanism to make deals with the devil and attain absolute power.


Besides, I am pretty sure, that all Freemasons feel superior to the rest of mankind. And even if you are going to deny it to me right now, I put it into your conscience.

So I was right and this thread has absolutely nothing to do with you wanting the truth.

You are merely looking to ratify your preconceived notions.

 

[Estro Felino]

So, not only do you believe that which you choose to believe with lack of evidence, but you believe that which you choose to believe in spite of evidence.

Well, no Italian Freemason has never reported the writer of the book I was talking about before. This writer said very grave things. But no Freemason accused him of defamation.
Probably because all that he said was true.

 

[McBell]

Well, no Italian Freemason has never reported the writer of the book I was talking about before. This writer said very grave things. But no Freemason accused him of defamation.
Probably because all that he said was true.

So why is the writer still alive?
I mean, you yourself claimed that those who get in the Freemasons way are murdered...

 

[sojourner]

But you can convince me that the Lodge you join is absolutely clean and inspired by Christian values.

It is clean -- and all of our members are Christian. But "inspired by Christian values?" Not necessary (or even advisable) since we're not a Christian organization -- or a religion of any sort.

I think that there are Italian Freemasons who decided to use Satanism to make deals with the devil and attain absolute power.

IF (and I think that's a huge "if") that's the case, then that would be considered a clandestine act, and those people would be demoted from the Lodge. The Lodge simply does not seek "absolute power."

I am pretty sure, that all Freemasons feel superior to the rest of mankind.

No. We don't. Humility is a highly-sought after and engendered human attribute within Freemasonry.

But no Freemason accused him of defamation.

I just disagreed with him. Good enough?

 

[Skwim]

Nobody can deny that the most powerful bankers in the world join the several international Freemasonries.
Even Mario Draghi, President of the ECB, joins Freemasonry.

Freemasonry is rumored to worship Satan and to establish initiation rituals , which are Satanic rituals
Rumors or Truth?

When it comes to Freemasonry rumors are as good as truth. As is the gossip that Freemasons eat babies and drink the blood of prepubescent virgins        
                 

 

[NewGuyOnTheBlock]

Well, no Italian Freemason has never reported the writer of the book I was talking about before. This writer said very grave things. But no Freemason accused him of defamation.
Probably because all that he said was true.

Probably because the allegations were too stupid to warrant a rebuttal.