Freemasonry and Satanism

[sojourner]

When it comes to Freemasonry rumors are as good as truth. As is the gossip that Freemasons eat babies and drink the blood of prepubescent virgins        
                 

NO! NO! NO! How many times have I gotta tell you?!

I'ts "eat prepubescent blood and drink baby virgins!"

 

[Estro Felino]

Yes. A farmer, a street person, a banker, a U.S. president, a lawyer, a construction worker can all be Freemasons. In fact, the least educated, least financially well-off, least socially-positioned man can become master of the lodge, -- and the president who's a member of that Lodge would have to listen to him and defer to him Masonically.

I am a Master Mason and have held the highest office in the local Lodge. Yes, I know what I'm talking about. Unfortunately, you're speculating about things that have no basis in anything other than blind rumor. You needn't fear Freemasonry.

Okay, now I need you to explain me: What is Freemasonry for? Why is it a secret society, whereas the world is full of organizations which do things above-board? Why do you need to things secretly ?
Why do you support each other, and don't care about the rest of the community?

 

[sojourner]

Okay, now I need you to explain me: What is Freemasonry for? Why is it a secret society, whereas the world is full of organizations which do things above-board? Why do you need to things secretly ?
Why do you support each other, and don't care about the rest of the community?

It exists to help good men become better men.

It is not a secret society. It is well-known to exist; there's a more-or-less prominent lodge building in almost every community, with good signage. Most Freemasons I know wear their lodge ring proudly and make no attempt to hide the fact that they are Masons. Freemasons appear regularly in Lodge regalia in public ceremonies.

Masons keep secrets because keeping important information or knowledge close to one's heart fosters both discipline and fidelity -- qualities that serve to make good men better men.

Masons are honor-bound do support each other; they are also honor-bound to support the destitute, widows and orphans. They are reminded to walk always in honesty and truthfulness, and to seek out opportunities to engage in acts of charity. I'd say that's ample proof that they do, in fact, care about the human family.

 

[Estro Felino]

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Masons keep secrets because keeping important information or knowledge close to one's heart fosters both discipline and fidelity -- qualities that serve to make good men better men.
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Well, no offense, but secrecy is a devilish thing. In fact, in the afterlife there will be no secrecy. By the way, there are secrets when you have something to hide

 

[sojourner]

Well, no offense, but secrecy is a devilish thing. In fact, in the afterlife there will be no secrecy. By the way, there are secrets when you have something to hide

How is secretiveness "devilish?" Really, the only secret information Freemasonry keeps is the fact that there really is no secret information. :face palm:
The precepts Freemasonry holds dear are commonly known to everyone. In fact, much of it is written in plain sight in the bible.

"Keeping secrets" isn't the same thing as "hiding." Freemasons don't "hide" information. Freemasons do keep secrets close, though. In other words, the information/knowledge that is used in the work of the Craft is stuff that everyone uses on a more-or-less daily basis. That knowledge is imbued by Freemasons with a certain depth of meaning through the use of allegory. It is that allegory that is kept close -- not the information itself. They have nothing to hide from the world, except for the meaning and the specific ways in which they apply those concepts to their lives.

 

[Estro Felino]

How is secretiveness "devilish?" Really, the only secret information Freemasonry keeps is the fact that there really is no secret information. :face palm:
The precepts Freemasonry holds dear are commonly known to everyone. In fact, much of it is written in plain sight in the bible.

Well, let's talk about concrete things: lots of rich bankers like Rotschild, Draghi are Freemasons. The Rotschilds are a family who have always worshiped money.
so therefore, it's undeniable that some Freemasons tend to worship money (and money implies power, because with money you can buy off any thing and anyone)

Given that I think that money-hunger is Satanic, those Freemasons-Bankers are Satanic.
Simple as that

You want to clean Freemasonry's name? Very good: throw those "people" out of it

 

[McBell]

Well, let's talk about concrete things: lots of rich bankers like Rotschild, Draghi are Freemasons. The Rotschilds are a family who have always worshiped money.
so therefore, it's undeniable that some Freemasons tend to worship money (and money implies power, because with money you can buy off any thing and anyone)

Given that I think that money-hunger is Satanic, those Freemasons-Bankers are Satanic.
Simple as that

You want to clean Freemasonry's name? Very good: throw those "people" out of it

:biglaugh:

So now that you did not get the reaction you wanted from your thread, youa re going to use a definition of "Satanic" you just made up for no other reason than to engage in a seriously sad epic fail of saving face?

Wow.
You really are merely looking to ratify your preconceived beliefs.

 

[Estro Felino]

:biglaugh:

So now that you did not get the reaction you wanted from your thread, youa re going to use a definition of "Satanic" you just made up for no other reason than to engage in a seriously sad epic fail of saving face?

Wow.
You really are merely looking to ratify your preconceived beliefs.

Are you practically saying that money-hunger is not a devilish thing?

ah, very well...then what is it? A Christian value?

 

[McBell]

Are you practically saying that money-hunger is not a devilish thing?

ah, very well...then what is it? A Christian value?

I said exactly what I meant to say.
If you are unable or unwilling to comprehend what is said, that is your problem, not mine.

 

[Estro Felino]

I said exactly what I meant to say.
If you are unable or unwilling to comprehend what is said, that is your problem, not mine.

Actually you didn't say anything. You are just avoiding answering

 

[GoodbyeDave]

Visit Wikipedia and look up the Rothschild family (note the spelling) and check their philanthropic activities. Is that satanic? If you want to learn about Masonic charitable work (assuming you actually want to learn anything), see
United Grand Lodge of England - Charitable Works

With money you can buy anyone? Probably in Sicily, but not round here!

Why secrecy? Well, they don't publish their membership lists, but neither do political parties or suburban golf clubs.

There. I feel better now. Any more of this rubbish and I'll end up becoming a mason in sheer defiance!

 

[sojourner]

Well, let's talk about concrete things: lots of rich bankers like Rotschild, Draghi are Freemasons. The Rotschilds are a family who have always worshiped money.
so therefore, it's undeniable that some Freemasons tend to worship money (and money implies power, because with money you can buy off any thing and anyone)

Given that I think that money-hunger is Satanic, those Freemasons-Bankers are Satanic.
Simple as that

You want to clean Freemasonry's name? Very good: throw those "people" out of it

That's hardly a condemnation. Love of money is widespread throughout the culture -- and many other cultures, as well. It's a typical human failing. Freemasonry doesn't claim to make perfect men -- it only claims to make good men better. What you believe to be true isn't necessarily truth. There is no Masonic rule about the amassing of monetary wealth. There are Masonic rules about using it to take care of the less fortunate.

 

[Estro Felino]

That's hardly a condemnation. Love of money is widespread throughout the culture -- and many other cultures, as well.

I did not say that Freemasonry has the monopoly of money-hunger. By the way, whoever worships money is a devilish person, whether they are Freemasons or not.

It's a typical human failing. Freemasonry doesn't claim to make perfect men -- it only claims to make good men better. What you believe to be true isn't necessarily truth.

I definitely had no doubts: I was pretty sure that Freemasons don't want to attain perfection. They just want to fill their pockets. By "better" you surely mean "more powerful".
The desire of not attaining perfection. That's exactly what Satan wants from men.

There is no Masonic rule about the amassing of monetary wealth. There are Masonic rules about using it to take care of the less fortunate.

A very devilish mechanism. Because money is not inexhaustible. If you amass money, you prevent money from circulating and you contribute to global poverty. The more money you amass, the less money people will have
You are admitting that Freemasons don't care about social and economic injustice, given that they are ready to get richer and richer even at cost of the neighbor's poverty.

Doing charity afterwards is irrelevant: because the damage has already been done: they have contributed to create poverty.

It's so overwhelming to see how you are practically confirming all my doubts.

 

[sojourner]

I did not say that Freemasonry has the monopoly of money-hunger. By the way, whoever worships money is a devilish person, whether they are Freemasons or not.



I definitely had no doubts: I was pretty sure that Freemasons don't want to attain perfection. They just want to fill their pockets. By "better" you surely mean "more powerful".
The desire of not attaining perfection. That's exactly what Satan wants from men.



A very devilish mechanism. Because money is not inexhaustible. If you amass money, you prevent money from circulating and you contribute to global poverty. The more money you amass, the less money people will have
You are admitting that Freemasons don't care about social and economic injustice, given that they are ready to get richer and richer even at cost of the neighbor's poverty.

Doing charity afterwards is irrelevant: because the damage has already been done: they have contributed to create poverty.

It's so overwhelming to see how you are practically confirming all my doubts.

I think we're done here. I've explained carefully to you what Freemasonry is all about. You've done nothing here but retort with provocation and baseless accusation. I hope that, one day, if you find yourself in a bad fix, there's a Freemason around to help you out. No one is more generous or trustworthy.

 

[McBell]

Actually you didn't say anything. You are just avoiding answering

Your sorry attempt at diversion failed.
Deal with it.

now if you are interested in actually addressing the points, please feel free.

Though I strongly suspect, based upon the amount of energy you have spent trying to avoid the points, that you are unable to address the points.

So the real question now is whether your avoidance is cowardice, ignorance, and or dishonesty

 

[Estro Felino]

I think we're done here. I've explained carefully to you what Freemasonry is all about. You've done nothing here but retort with provocation and baseless accusation. I hope that, one day, if you find yourself in a bad fix, there's a Freemason around to help you out. No one is more generous or trustworthy.

Dear Friend, I have no doubt that your lodge spreads lots of positive and precious values like creativeness, altruism, fraternity, knowledge.
But I cannot understand why you are absolutely sure that all the lodges of the world are like yours.
It's impossible that Freemasonry is one compact thing at a global level.

I have just said that it is possible that in Europe some lodges are using "unfair" methods. and it is possible that in Italy, some Florentine lodge is the perpetrator of the "Mostro di firenze" homicides. everything is possible

 

[oldbadger]

This is sooo mistaken. And I can tell you that if it is happening, those Freemasons who show such preferment need to be reported to their respective Grand Lodges, for that is a Masonic offense.

I'm guessing that you refer to my para about clubs and club committees being exclusive to Freemasons? I could list several, mainly yacht clubs, but this will almost certainly be true of other clubs. But this is in England. However, I am not suggesting that these folks are evil or Satanic....... I simply chose not to approach Freemasons for membership nearly 50 years ago and have held to that. Here, freemasonry is secret and guarded closely. It may well be quite different in your area. There are religious groups whose brethren are more exclusive and secretive than Freemasonry ..... I never approached any...... I'm an open book. It's no problem.... I just don't support secret societies.....

 

[Curious_Cat]

secret rites and orders have existed since after King Solomons death. I dont have a religion but have experienced enough to know that this demonic stuff is real. I regret delving into it so deeply. I opened my third eye and now I see weird black objects moving along the edges of my room, I see bright lights even when I close my eyes. Does anyone know how to stop this. I am scared ********.

 

[nash8]

Indeed. The Vatican is controlled by Cardinals who are mostly Freemasons. Excluding the Pope, the Vatican is controlled by devilish and money-hungry and shady Cardinals who will be judged in the afterlife for their secret business. And lots of Catholics think the same things
Besides, pointing the finger to other perpetrators, doesn't free Freemasonry from my accusations. Freemasonry remains something shady and rumored.

Do you read anything that is posted?

Finally you said it all. Of course this is the most devilish thing in the world. Because this means that the highest positions will always be filled by Freemasons, and the world will always be ruled by them.

No this is not true at all. The highest positions will be filled by certain people, because people are to dumb to realize that they're voting the same corrupt people into office over and over again, and because we, as people, generally have no idea how our politicians vote, and therefore don't hold them responsible for their actions.

All groups help their members attain positions, as long as they don't interfere with the values of the group, and as long as illegal means aren't used, and there is nothing wrong with that.

Lastly, there are more world leaders that aren't freemasons, than those that are, and I would say by quite a large margin. So your whole premise is flawed.

This is against social justice, because if you want to reach a high position you have to earn it.

No, you have to buy it just like anyone else. And therein lies the problem, not the freemasons.

Freemasons think they are better than the others.

I think I'm better than you, am I a freemason?

That's why they create this secret societies, because they think they are the chosen people (most of them are Calvinist, like the Pilgrim Father).

No, they actually started as a sort of stone workers union, so people would know who actually knew what they were doing and who did not. And they started to resort to secrecy because the Catholic church began to accuse them of witchcraft and other such nonsense because they used scientific principles and measurements.

Money-hunger is devilish. If you destroy social equality, you can't clean your conscience by doing charity.

Tell that to your church.

So can a simple farmer or a baker join Freemasonry? This speech sounds like you are a Freemason. You are too sure about what you say aren't you?

So do you.

Okay, now I need you to explain me: What is Freemasonry for? Why is it a secret society, whereas the world is full of organizations which do things above-board? Why do you need to things secretly ? Why do you support each other, and don't care about the rest of the community?

Why are your posts so ignorant? Why do you refuse to read links? Why do you think the world is full of organizations that do things above board? Have you not seen what government and corporations have been doing in secret lately, which have no connections to freemasonry? Why do Catholics molest children?

 

[oldbadger]

There. I feel better now. Any more of this rubbish and I'll end up becoming a mason in sheer defiance!

Don't! Don't!
The government scandal concerning the Paedophile reports which were covered up by D notices or straight file destruction will break eventually, and it's not looking good ...... Freemasons cannot hold rank to protect bad-uns for ever in this digital age. I picked one www site out of many..... pages of them:-

THE WATERHOUSE REPORT
BIGGEST MASONIC CHILD ABUSE COVER-UP IN UK HISTORY!!!

A Public Tribunal heard damning evidence of how a number of children's homes supplied a paedophile ring over a 20 year period!!! Hundreds of children were subjected to physical and sexual abuse (rape), by those who were entrusted with their welfare. Policemen, church ministers, local authority executives, senior businessmen and politicians, have been identified.
THE WATERHOUSE REPORT - BIGGEST MASONIC CHILD ABUSE COVER-UP IN UK HISTORY!!!

........... don't hold your breath. If you don't like this site, pick another...?