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Freemasonry and Satanism
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samosasauce
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Rumors... freemasonry was at least established with Christianity as a core value
McBell
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McBell
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I flat out deny both of your bold empty claims.
Now where does that leave you?
now you are merely grasping at straws.
McBell
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Yes, you said that.
But your attitude thus far in this thread indicates you have already made up your mind that there is a connection between Freemason and Satanism.
Yet you blatantly ignore evidence that indicates there is not the connection you want there to be...
I doubt it.
Well, I was 100 % sure that you would defend Freemasonry.
You're an "Advocatus Diaboli", indeed
Looncall
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Rumoured by whom? A bunch of priests who want to have all the bums on their own pews?
I've heard this before, I don't really believe that Freemasons worship the devil, though,
They are not simple rumors. In Italy people have written even books about it
Looncall
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So what? Hordes of crackpots write books all the time.
People have written even books about the perfidy of the catholic church, too, and with much more evident justification.
I have known several Masons. They were all decent, kindly folks. I think the worst one can think of Masonism is as a peculiar hobby.
You have? I certainly don't envy you
McBell
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How about you stop with the personal attacks and address the points I brought?
The truth is that an Italian writer wrote that some Italian bankers joining Freemasonry, used to practice Satanic initiation rituals before a grave, in the cemetery.
An anthropologist has been murdered because she was investigating about this Lodge.
well...these facts make me believe that there is a connection.
I am not a visionary. There must be something truthful.
By the way, I don't understand why you are so sure that all Freemasons are not Satanists. How do you know? Do you know all the Freemasons of the world?
McBell
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I never said that ALL Freemasons anything.
That is your goal post moving strawman.
Do you think that everything published is truth?
What is your beef with the Freemasons?
Why is it you are ignoring everything that contradicts your preconceived notions about the Freemasons?
And why do you defend them so much, as if they were your personal heroes?
I don't care what Freemasons let people think about themselves. Appearance is absolutely irrelevant, given that they are secret societies and they have never done things above board.
My thread is just for knowing if there are people from different countries who have some relevant information and\or evidence about this connection.
I don't really care what Freemasons do. Because if they hurt people, they will receive their eternal reward in the afterlife. That will be my satisfaction (Blessed those who hunger and thirst for justice, for they will be satisfied)
I knew a Freemason and he was a very cool guy. He was also a Catholic.
I like Freemasonry because, unlike the Knights of Columbus, they're not sexist and homophobic (the KoC also have stupid costumes). They allow gays and transgender people and have an order for women. They also played a very big role in the American and French Revolutions. America was founded by Freemasons. Their impact on society is revolutionary and iconoclastic. I'm curious about joining, at least to gain an understanding of it from the inside.
I like Freemasonry because, unlike the Knights of Columbus, they're not sexist and homophobic (the KoC also have stupid costumes). They allow gays and transgender people and have an order for women. They also played a very big role in the American and French Revolutions. America was founded by Freemasons. Their impact on society is revolutionary and iconoclastic. I'm curious about joining, at least to gain an understanding of it from the inside.
Weren't people like George Washington and Thomas Jefferson Freemasons? I've heard that in various different places.
Washington was a Mason, not sure about Jefferson. Many of the Founding Fathers were. America, and the French Republic, were both founded by Freemasons. The Enlightenment owes a lot to Freemasons.
George Washington, the Mason
All right. But Freemasonry of the past is not the same thing as the present one. I understand that Americans tend to praise Freemasonry because of the glorious past.
But Freemasonry in Europe is synonym of ECB, Bankers, Money-Hunger and Illuminati.-
GoodbyeDave
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I'm not a mason, although a member of my family was prominent in the craft, so I think I'm fairly impartial.
There are two main groups of masons.
1. The smaller, recognised by the Grand Orient Lodge in France and largely continental, accepts atheists.
2. The larger, recognised by the United Grand Lodge of England, requires members to have a belief in God. A copy of the local scriptures, whether the Bible, the Koran, or something else, is always present in the lodge. There's a famous print of George Washington and his fellow rebels attending a church service in their masonic regalia.
Obviously neither group are likely to be satanists!
The rites of masonry are not secret: you can find accounts of them in any good library. Membership tended to become secret in the last century because of political hostility from fascists and communists: up to the 19th century they had public parades, balls, and church services.
The goals of masonry are raising money for charity, fostering self-improvement, and plain sociability.
There are two main groups of masons.
1. The smaller, recognised by the Grand Orient Lodge in France and largely continental, accepts atheists.
2. The larger, recognised by the United Grand Lodge of England, requires members to have a belief in God. A copy of the local scriptures, whether the Bible, the Koran, or something else, is always present in the lodge. There's a famous print of George Washington and his fellow rebels attending a church service in their masonic regalia.
Obviously neither group are likely to be satanists!
The rites of masonry are not secret: you can find accounts of them in any good library. Membership tended to become secret in the last century because of political hostility from fascists and communists: up to the 19th century they had public parades, balls, and church services.
The goals of masonry are raising money for charity, fostering self-improvement, and plain sociability.