ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
Except fires actually exist. If you want proof I could come over and show you using my brother's lighter.
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From 'born again' to agnostic
- Thread starter Misty
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Except fires actually exist. If you want proof I could come over and show you using my brother's lighter.
logician
Well-Known Member
So, who is putting "pride" on trial?
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
Cool. So, how do I buy insurance against your god, Zeus, Odin, Goddess, Allah and the myriad of other possible god-concepts out there?
ok, so will you answer the question that I asked? Again, the question is: On what basis do you believe in something without spending time learning about it?
Or at home . . . Just think back to when you first "accepted" christ :yes:
Originally Posted by Danmac
The man that buys fire insurance may not have to use it, but he is still safer than the guy who says he doesn't need it.
No, safety has nothing to do with insurance
The person who is "safer" is the person who gets out of the house when the fire starts.
Danmac
Well-Known Member
You make light of an eternal fire.
Danmac
Well-Known Member
In the case of religion yes. I avoid religion at all costs.Except he is out the money. In the case of religion, it is a lot of money and time,
Danmac
Well-Known Member
God. You and I are court appointed volunteers.
Danmac
Well-Known Member
satan will sell you all the insurance you want. He's a crook though so be careful.
Danmac
Well-Known Member
Danmac
Well-Known Member
No, safety has nothing to do with insurance
He may be safer, but his wallet isn't.
You can't murder yourself!
The point that I try to make is that without hope people live a more depressing life, it just that I thought that Wotam was pinning down the current high rates of suicide on religions such as Christians, what do you think? I know that there are religions which believe that self killing is a better option, but that is not the case of Christianity, having faith allow me to persevere in the most difficult situation and came out of trails and tribulations stronger and appreciated life and the creator of it.
Without hope of what? If you mean hope of ending up in heaven when you die, I think that very depressing. I don't think atheists are anymore likely to have a depressing life than theists!
Misty, reading your post and other similar ones, makes me feel sad for your parents, using judgemental abuse to teach the wordofGod instead of sticking to good example, Jesus talks about the importance of a childs heart. Jesus speaks of letting the children come to him. they used scriptures as a punishment, blackmail, and totally in the wrong context. Too bad you had religious ignorants as examples. Was your mom on drugs at all. even prescription drugs? she sounds disturbed, excuse me, but by your description, you werent raised in a christian home, and your logic became an unbeliever of whatever she or they were. I hope you have found real forgiveness towards them.
May God enlighten your heart, even more
May God enlighten your heart, even more
Nerthus
Wanderlust
I agree. Hope gives people something to live for, without it what would be the point?
Faith does provide a sense of hope, as well as feeling protected and guided through difficult times. If I went through some of the things that I have, without faith and hope - I wouldn't be the person I am right now.
I don't want God to 'enlighten' my hearts thanks.
You are way off target where my parents were concerned too. They were Christian fundamentalists who thought they were doing their duty by trying to save their children from burning in hell. The fact that their philosophy of only the 'saved' going to heaven is not credible in the least, passed them by. My mother is still alive and still tries to convert me, but I threaten to end the phone conversation when she does.
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
Where's that then?
Wotan
Active Member
"Too bad you had religious ignorants as examples. Was your mom on drugs at all. even prescription drugs? she sounds disturbed, excuse me, but by your description, you werent raised in a christian home, and your logic became an unbeliever of whatever she or they were. I hope you have found real forgiveness towards them."
I had a similar experience and I can assure you neither drugs nor alcohol played any part in my religious instruction. I was taught 6 days a week and twice on Sunday that hell was REAL and lasts forever. I was told I was going there to burn and feel being burned forever unless I accepted JC and live a christian life. I was told repeatedly not to question. That I needed the simple faith of a child. That thinking too much was the way of the devil.
"We don't understand it all. We aren't supposed to. God works in mysterious ways but he is both just and loving. Just believe that. Don't think too much about it. Thinking and education will weaken your faith. Many people lose their faith in college. Don't go. Don't take that chance. Eternity is a long time to regret your book learnin'. The bible is the Word of God and god don't make mistakes. Don't listen to those professors. You don't no Harvard edgeucation to be saved."
THAT was the Christianity I was taught. Well meaning, sincere, ignorant, shallow and hypocritical to the core.
Welcome to the "wisdom" of supernatural religion.
I had a similar experience and I can assure you neither drugs nor alcohol played any part in my religious instruction. I was taught 6 days a week and twice on Sunday that hell was REAL and lasts forever. I was told I was going there to burn and feel being burned forever unless I accepted JC and live a christian life. I was told repeatedly not to question. That I needed the simple faith of a child. That thinking too much was the way of the devil.
"We don't understand it all. We aren't supposed to. God works in mysterious ways but he is both just and loving. Just believe that. Don't think too much about it. Thinking and education will weaken your faith. Many people lose their faith in college. Don't go. Don't take that chance. Eternity is a long time to regret your book learnin'. The bible is the Word of God and god don't make mistakes. Don't listen to those professors. You don't no Harvard edgeucation to be saved."
THAT was the Christianity I was taught. Well meaning, sincere, ignorant, shallow and hypocritical to the core.
Welcome to the "wisdom" of supernatural religion.
whre is the example of Jesus in this? Jesus spoke in parrables, I asked my kids riddles from the bible. Jesus told stories, I told biblical stories at bed time, or when we were lounging. when something serious would happen, we put the choice of a similar story, and the choice God took. when they go party, they know they have God with them, but not by force, and they have proved it to themselves in their own personal spiritual experiences, during a party, walking home at late hours, and they are teen agers, but I have nothing to do with, their experiences they chose to have with God, Jesus way did, you would never know they were christian by imposition or them saying it. So no it doesnt sound like a christian home, maybe christian church activity)taken to an extreme) but not the home, even if they were, well meaning, they didnt live it, and that will someday be revealed to people like that, Wotan, do you have kids? and did you speak to them about our father? and how?