From where did the "wives" of Cain and Abel come?

[whirlingmerc]

English, German, Dutch and Swedish likewise are in their own family of European languages: Germanic.

We English speakers easily recognize "willkommen".

German has "Telefonnummer" and we have "telephone number" but both those terms come from a combination of Latin and Greek roots.

"Eve was the mother of all the living" from Genesis

The answer is they were also children of Adam and Even and there was no prohibition against that yet as the gene pool did not break down sufficiently to make that dangerous yet. The breakdown being a result of the fall.

 

[Salvador]

Ah, the cherry picker has arrived.
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I follow Swedenborg's cherry-picking of Bible stories in Genesis as being tales of spiritual significance rather than as historical accounts of events intended to be taken literally.

How do you like cherry picking through the Bible?

 

[The Anointed]

Adam was not the first man to walk this earth
he was the first to walk with God

he was a CHOSEN son of God
and placed into ideal living conditions to extend his life
during which time his mind and body were altered
cloned
tested
and released into the environment

Cain saw the difference upfront
having been tossed out into the world

Man was a species on Day Six
male and female
no names
no garden
no law

THEN Chapter Two

Then Chapter two, where, on the seventh day, the earth was barren and waste, although the seeds of the plants that had been destroyed when all the beast and homo sapiens of the sixth creative day were wiped off the face of the earth, remained in the ground, but no rain had fallen since the cataclysmic end to the life on earth.

It was then that JAH-el, (Lord to the glory of EL the creator) after planting a garden in Eden, created a man and called him Adam, etc, etc, etc.

 

[leov]

From where did the "wives" of Cain and Abel come?

How were THEY created?

Cain was kicked out from place called Adama to place called Eretz east from Eden.

 

[Salvador]

I though this was interesting.....Talks about Mitochondrial Eve....

Adam Eve: Fact or Fiction?

Y-Chromosomal Adam lived in Central Africa almost certainly over 230,000 years ago.

Reference: An African American Paternal Lineage Adds an Extremely Ancient Root to the Human Y Chromosome Phylogenetic Tree

Am J Hum Genet. 2013 Mar 7; 92(3): 454–459.
doi: 10.1016/j.ajhg.2013.02.002
PMCID: PMC3591855
PMID: 23453668
An African American Paternal Lineage Adds an Extremely Ancient Root to the Human Y Chromosome Phylogenetic Tree
Fernando L. Mendez,1 Thomas Krahn,2 Bonnie Schrack,2 Astrid-Maria Krahn,2 Krishna R. Veeramah,1 August E. Woerner,1 Forka Leypey Mathew Fomine,3 Neil Bradman,4 Mark G. Thomas,5 Tatiana M. Karafet,1 and Michael F. Hammer1,∗

Mitochondrial Eve lived in East Africa almost certainly between 100,000 to 200,000 years ago.

Reference: A revised timescale for human evolution based on ancient mitochondrial genomes

Curr Biol. Author manuscript; available in PMC 2016 Sep 26.

Published in final edited form as:
Curr Biol. 2013 Apr 8; 23(7): 553–559.
Published online 2013 Mar 21. doi: 10.1016/j.cub.2013.02.044
PMCID: PMC5036973
NIHMSID: NIHMS459804
PMID: 23523248
A revised timescale for human evolution based on ancient mitochondrial genomes
Qiaomei Fu,#1,3 Alissa Mittnik,#2 Philip L.F. Johnson,4 Kirsten Bos,2,5 Martina Lari,6 Ruth Bollongino,7 Chengkai Sun,8 Liane Giemsch,9,10 Ralf Schmitz,9 Joachim Burger,7 Anna Maria Ronchitelli,11 Fabio Martini,12 Renata G. Cremonesi,13 Jiří Svoboda,14,15 Peter Bauer,16 David Caramelli,6 Sergi Castellano,1 David Reich,17,18 Svante Pääbo,1 and Johannes Krause2,†

Because Y-Chromosomal Adam and Mitochondrial Eve almost certainly lived at least 30,000 years apart as well as hundreds of miles apart, they almost certainly could not have possibly mated together.

 

[SA Huguenot]

Ok, officially the Church claims Cain married his sister. Adam and Eve had more than two children.
Incest? Well it was a time of sin.

I suppose Adam and Eve were siblings as well. Same genetic material.

Yes, Adam and eve had many more children, only cain Abel and Seth is mentioned.
Furthermore, Adam and Eve lives to be almost 1 000 years old and they had plenty time to populate the earth as one couple.

Then, yes, their children did marry each other, and it was not a sin then.
perhaps the atheist forgets that not only was the genepool of Adam and eve still perfect, and no health problems would have replicated by such marrages, but the laws on incest was only given to Moses in 14450 BC.
Therefore again, the atheist is totally incapable to even understand basic chronological events to determine when a law prohibited sin, but they would like to move the law back some 3 000 years to create an old strawpuppet to sooth their hatred for God.

 

[SA Huguenot]

Y

Some people do not realize that this is a myth.

eah!
They would rather believe in the myth of a frog turning into a prince.
Genesis has perhaps the best substantiated archaeological support than you can immagine.

 

[SA Huguenot]

Y-Chromosomal Adam lived in Central Africa almost certainly over 230,000 years ago.

Reference: An African American Paternal Lineage Adds an Extremely Ancient Root to the Human Y Chromosome Phylogenetic Tree

Am J Hum Genet. 2013 Mar 7; 92(3): 454–459.
doi: 10.1016/j.ajhg.2013.02.002
PMCID: PMC3591855
PMID: 23453668
An African American Paternal Lineage Adds an Extremely Ancient Root to the Human Y Chromosome Phylogenetic Tree
Fernando L. Mendez,1 Thomas Krahn,2 Bonnie Schrack,2 Astrid-Maria Krahn,2 Krishna R. Veeramah,1 August E. Woerner,1 Forka Leypey Mathew Fomine,3 Neil Bradman,4 Mark G. Thomas,5 Tatiana M. Karafet,1 and Michael F. Hammer1,∗

Mitochondrial Eve lived in East Africa almost certainly between 100,000 to 200,000 years ago.

Reference: A revised timescale for human evolution based on ancient mitochondrial genomes

Curr Biol. Author manuscript; available in PMC 2016 Sep 26.

Published in final edited form as:
Curr Biol. 2013 Apr 8; 23(7): 553–559.
Published online 2013 Mar 21. doi: 10.1016/j.cub.2013.02.044
PMCID: PMC5036973
NIHMSID: NIHMS459804
PMID: 23523248
A revised timescale for human evolution based on ancient mitochondrial genomes
Qiaomei Fu,#1,3 Alissa Mittnik,#2 Philip L.F. Johnson,4 Kirsten Bos,2,5 Martina Lari,6 Ruth Bollongino,7 Chengkai Sun,8 Liane Giemsch,9,10 Ralf Schmitz,9 Joachim Burger,7 Anna Maria Ronchitelli,11 Fabio Martini,12 Renata G. Cremonesi,13 Jiří Svoboda,14,15 Peter Bauer,16 David Caramelli,6 Sergi Castellano,1 David Reich,17,18 Svante Pääbo,1 and Johannes Krause2,†

Because Y-Chromosomal Adam and Mitochondrial Eve almost certainly lived at least 30,000 years apart as well as hundreds of miles apart, they almost certainly could not have possibly mated together.

Interesting.
So there was only one Adam and one Eve?
I like the "ALMOST CERTAINLY" YOU YOURSELF USED THREE TIMES, AND THE "POSSIBLY"'S
I almost certainly believe this crap.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Y

eah!
They would rather believe in the myth of a frog turning into a prince.
Genesis has perhaps the best substantiated archaeological support than you can immagine.

You really should try to get an education. There are countless Christians that do not believe in a lying God.

And no, there is no archaeological support. The stories are myth.

 

[epronovost]

Yes, Adam and eve had many more children, only cain Abel and Seth is mentioned.
Furthermore, Adam and Eve lives to be almost 1 000 years old and they had plenty time to populate the earth as one couple.

I see numeracy isn't your forte.

 

[SA Huguenot]

Then Chapter two, where, on the seventh day, the earth was barren and waste, although the seeds of the plants that had been destroyed when all the beast and homo sapiens of the sixth creative day were wiped off the face of the earth, remained in the ground, but no rain had fallen since the cataclysmic end to the life on earth.

It was then that JAH-el, (Lord to the glory of EL the creator) after planting a garden in Eden, created a man and called him Adam, etc, etc, etc.

And you dont even bother to quote the rest of the verses about rain...in those days it did not rain on the earth....but a mist rose from the ground and wet the land....
why do you make yourself guilty of cherry picking pal?
this is called LIES.
dont do that!
What you completely missed out on is the fact that the Earth was still very new, and the atmosphere was containing a huge ammount of mist.
this was the waters that fell on the earth for 40 days, and only after the flood of Noah did light enter into the atmosphere to allow refraction of light!
heck but the "mythological" Genesis contains science you never even comprehended.

No man, go back and read and quote Genesis propperly pal.

 

[SA Huguenot]

You really should try to get an education. There are countless Christians that do not believe in a lying God.

And no, there is no archaeological support. The stories are myth.

Yeahh!
No Christian will ever believe in any liar.
They will also not believe in a lying god such as Allah, Darwin and so on.
And why the insult to get an education?
is this an argument of an educated intelligent human?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yeahh!
No Christian will ever believe in any liar.
They will also not believe in a lying god such as Allah, Darwin and so on.
And why the insult to get an education?
is this an argument of an educated intelligent human?

But you repeatedly claim that your God is a liar. You may not realize this, but when one says that Genesis is literal one is calling God a liar.

And that you lack an insult in the sciences is obvious. I do not think that you are a liar. If one understands the sciences at just a high school level one cannot believe the myths of Genesis.

 

[Moz]

But you repeatedly claim that your God is a liar. You may not realize this, but when one says that Genesis is literal one is calling God a liar.

And that you lack an insult in the sciences is obvious. I do not think that you are a liar. If one understands the sciences at just a high school level one cannot believe the myths of Genesis.

Yes science is god in the minds of its faithful.... Truthfully most of it is storytelling and job creation by the oroborous like education system with no real foundation other than consensus from people who want to believe the same story and keep their particular field relevant in a shrinking market. The replication crisis makes many of the claims you make no more than a guess, yet represented as proven fact. The Academy is BROKEN. Experiments and studies that are unrepeatable are given the weight of established fact and then new theories are built on the sand of the previous and on it goes. It is your god that lies to you.

Just in cosmology... not only is 95% of what the Universe is made up of a mystery but now even the 5% they thought they had a handle on is up in the air.
Wild New Study Suggests The Universe Is a Closed Sphere, Not Flat
5 NOV 2019 Wild New Study Suggests The Universe Is a Closed Sphere, Not Flat
......................................

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yes science is god in the minds of its faithful.... Truthfully most of it is storytelling and job creation by the oroborous like education system with no real foundation other than consensus from people who want to believe the same story and keep their particular field relevant in a shrinking market. The replication crisis makes many of the claims you make no more than a guess, yet represented as proven fact. The Academy is BROKEN. Experiments and studies that are unrepeatable are given the weight of established fact and then new theories are built on the sand of the previous and on it goes. It is your god that lies to you.

Just in cosmology... not only is 95% of what the Universe is made up of a mystery but now even the 5% they thought they had a handle on is up in the air.
Wild New Study Suggests The Universe Is a Closed Sphere, Not Flat
5 NOV 2019 Wild New Study Suggests The Universe Is a Closed Sphere, Not Flat
......................................

How ironic that you try to claim that science has no foundation while using a highly technical piece of equipment.

What experiments do you think are unrepeatable? Like most science deniers you spout a good tale but the facts are not on your side.

 

[Moz]

How ironic that you try to claim that science has no foundation while using a highly technical piece of equipment.

What experiments do you think are unrepeatable? Like most science deniers you spout a good tale but the facts are not on your side.

You have heard of the replication crisis haven't?

I did not say that science has no foundation. I said the foundation is story.
To understand the effect of things doesn't make the story told to explain them the truth. I have less a problem with the hard sciences and mathematics than with some of the other stuff. Human biology for instance is becoming a fantasy world.

 

[ChristineM]

Human genetic diversity is too great for there to have ever been a human population size that consisted of much less than ca. 10,000 individuals. Pairwise Sequentially Markovian Coalescent (PSMC) analysis confirms a population bottleneck in humans that consisted of no fewer than probably ca. 10,000 individuals. (Li, Heng and Durbin, Richard ) "Inference of Human Population History from Individual Whole-Genome Sequences" Nature International Weekly Journal of Science 28 July 2001 http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v47...10231.html

If there were the most severe population bottle-necking such as one breeding pair that is portrayed in the case of the Biblical Adam and Eve, then there would be a maximum of 4 alleles passed on by Adam and Eve to their children. Furthermore, the subsequent inbreeding would cause some loss of alleles due to genetic drifting. There would not have been genetic diversity in the small group of Adam, Eve and their children who would've had to commit incest among each other for the procreation of their inbred children. A lack of genetic diversity would have persisted for thousands of generations until genetic mutations could cause the genetic diversity of today's population. Based on the number of different alleles there are for the number of genes within the current population and the known rate of mutations per nucleotide sites in humans, geneticists can calculate the minimum number of people needed to create the current amount of genetic diversity. Numerous genetic studies suggest that there were several thousands of people more than two people during the most severe population bottleneck which ever occurred in human history.

DNA segments (Alu repeats ) insert themselves at various chromosomal locations. There are various forms of Alu sequences and several thousand families of Alu. One well-studied family of Alu is called Ya5, which has been inserted into human chromosomes at 57 mapped locations. If we were to have descended from a single pair of ancestors such as Adam and Eve, then we all would have each of the 57 elements inserted at the same location points of our chromosomes. "However, the human population consists of groups of people who share some insertion points but not others. The multiple shared categories make it clear that although a human population bottleneck occurred, it was definitely never as small as two. In fact, this line of evidence also indicates that there were at least several thousand people when the population was at its smallest". ( Venema, Dennis and Falk, Darrel ) " Does genetics Point to a Single Primal Couple?" 5 April 2001 http://biologos.org/blog/does-genetics-p...mal-couple
Coalescent theory analysis of single nucleotide polymorphism and linkage disequilibrium indicates the mean effective population size for hominid lineage is 100,000 individuals over the course of the last 30 million years. "The effective population size estimated from linkage disequilibrium is a minimum of ca, 10,000 followed by an expansion in the last 20,000 years." ( Tenesa, Albert, Navarro, Paul, Hayes, Ben J., Duffy, David L., Clarke, Geraldine, Goodard, Mike E. and Visscher, Peter M. ) " Recent Human Effective Population Size Estimated from Linkage Disequilibrium" Genome Research 17 April 2007 Ancestral Population Genomics: The Coalescent Hidden Markov Model Approach

Indeed, there is ample genetic evidence that the Biblical Adam and Eve never actually existed.

If there were such a thing as "god magic", then this would've come from a trickster god, I'm not so sure such a being could be entirely trustworthy.

Yeah, i was being sarcastic

 

[LuisDantas]

From where did the "wives" of Cain and Abel come?

How were THEY created?

I don't think that the narrative in Genesis can be made to work literally.

It is an ethnocentric tale that describes the fictional - or more properly, figurative - origins of the Hebrews, not of humanity as such.

Otherwise, you would pretty much have to accept that Cain and Abel married their own (unnamed, apparently) sisters. Or perhaps one of them married his own niece or grand-niece or grand-grand-niece instead.

A big hint that it is indeed an ethnocentric tale with no interest in other people comes from Lot's Daughters in Genesis 19. The text has them literally claiming that there is "no man in the Earth" to "come unto them". As if they believed that their father was the last man on Earth, despite 19:20-21 making a point of stating that God would not destroy Zoar, the "little city" that Lot wanted to escape into.

Lot has reached Zoar as of 19:23, but for some reason he "fears to dwell" in there as of 19:30, going to live in a cave with his two daughters. It is at this point that the two of them somehow see fit to claim that there are no other (acceptable?) men on Earth that might sire children with them.

What are we to make of that? Are they unaware of Zoar somehow? Are there no men there? No unmarried men? No fertile men?

The Bible does not quite say. Nor does it let us know why Lot has to be put drunk to come to cooperate with his daughters intentions. Somehow there is a city nearby, which Lot apparently fears despite having recently dwelled in there. And his daughters do not expect to find potential fertile husbands there, so they resort to using their own drunk father without his consent. That is all that we truly know from the Bible.

Either a fantastic tale or a very ethnocentric one, IMO.

 

[Aupmanyav]

I think it is a disgusting tale. Islam, sure, suitably modified the tale.

There are parts of the Bible that are not meant to be taken literally. The entire book of Genesis for example.

That creates a problem. Does it not?

 

[sooda]

From where did the "wives" of Cain and Abel come?

How were THEY created?

There were humans on earth before Adam and Eve.. They are the ancestors of the Jews. Its a foundation myth.