ppp
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So, eternal life with someone super powerful who does not measure up to my minimal moral standards; or eternal death, which I already expect. How do you think that would inspire me to care what your god wants?
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Frustrated athiest asks why do you believe in God?
- Thread starter Daniel Nicholson
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Wildswanderer
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Right has no meaning whatsoever in a godless universe. In that universe the strongest survive and that's that... so might does make right if there's no God.
Wildswanderer
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I guess you choose death. Seems like a stupid choice to me but it's your decision.
Wildswanderer
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Let's see, live 70 years if you're lucky, a very short time which anyone over 50 realizes... with aches and pain, sickness and worry and brokeness..
Or live forever in a perfect world with no pain or sickness.
I'll take door #2, thanks very much!
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
No, it has not meaning for you. Don't make the mistake of assuming that right has no meaning for everyone. and you are misunderstanding the theory of evolution since it does not say that the "strongest survive". That is over simplified and rather wrong.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Ah, the Kiss Hank's ***<EDIT: Donkey> religion.
ppp
Well-Known Member
That is not an answer to my question. The answer is that if my choice is between spending an eternity with a tyrant who thinks annihilation or torture is an appropriate response to not being loved; or simply ceasing to exist... I would take the non existence.
My personal reason is when I started seeing God, I have not stopped. The first time it felt immense the experience, but the experience never went away.
However, the seeing explanation, has reinforced certainty, so it's part of it.
ppp
Well-Known Member
But door number two is not perfect. The being depicted as determining what Heaven is like is a moral monster.
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
Why? God is love BTW, but why choose death over life regardless?
Love is a meaningless emotion in a universe ruled by chance anyway.
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
It is perfect, but if it wasn't it would still beat death.
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
I think if it meant even 10 more years of existence you would kiss anyone's butt, despite saying otherwise.
Most would, when it came right down to it.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Aah, then we are not discussing the God of the Bible. Which God are you talking about?
ppp
Well-Known Member
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
You missed the point. This video is only six minutes long. I am putting it in a spoiler since it has "donkey" in the title:
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
The God of the Bible is love.
It's not just what he does... it's what he is.
"God is love, and all who live in love live in God, and God lives in them. God is love, and he who abides in love abides in God, and God in him. God is love, and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him."
ppp
Well-Known Member
It is not perfect.
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
No you didn't. You said you wouldn't live in a world with a less than perfect God, but you already choose to live in a world where everyone is evil to one extent or the other.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
You may have a redacted Bible. In mine he clearly is not. If I kill a thousand people and then claim "I am love" have I refuted myself?
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
You seem to be following the Bible. That is a God that is far less than perfect.