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Frustrated athiest asks why do you believe in God?
- Thread starter Daniel Nicholson
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ppp
Well-Known Member
I did. And that is not even remotely what I said. Why is it okay for you to be dishonest about me? Just because you see me as your enemy?
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
Not if you have the ability as creator to know who needs killed to make better world.
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
You said God was immoral so you would not want eternity with him. Why not? Everyone is immoral to some extent.
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
According to your human judgement which is not just imperfect but completely inadequate to judge God.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Uh huh, and how do you know this?
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
It is all that we have. How can you even begin to demonstrate that your version of God exists? He is incompetent and evil if one reads the Bible literally at all.
God is love - true. God lives in everyone's heart - true. God's love does not and could not involve eternal death - that is limiting God to an image of a 1950's stern and judgemental father whose love is contingent on having certain beliefs.
If I had your view of God, I'd be an atheist in a heartbeat because I could not and would not accept such a cruel and limited view of Divinity.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Continually worshipping an evil being would be Hell eventually.
Daniel Nicholson
Blasphemous Pryme
To paraphrase, I said the Abrahamic God endorses (encourages or acts out) murder, and you said I'm just plain wrong, then I gave you 5 examples from the old testament. So that's one point for me, let's move on. Hit the little arrow in the quote and trace back the convo if you don't believe me.
So those children who are too young to understand anything about life yet have to face treatment for serious genetic health issues is due to the one that created us. As if this ruler of the universe can't explain why children are facing suffering and death to some moral norms that we humans can understand and value we still can't judge this God?
So we are just like ants in an ant farm the way you describe it. You don't indicate that this God has any obligation for those it created. Could it be your words reflect more of your indifference and tainted morality rather than any sort of God?
1-Brother James
Member
The issue is not whether one believes, or not... the issue is one of thinking, or Knowing? The Energy of God is "NSgy" [Neutral Spiritual Energy] I believe, and that is entirely invisible to the brain and one's physical senses. Man is composed of four separate dimensions: Three of which are invisible to the brain and one's physical body. So, to experience God [one's Spiritual Energy dimension], one must go to one's Spiritual Dimension via one's faculty of Intuition... which requires a certain level of Consciousness, and this has nothing to do with one's brain, thinking, or intelligence.
This sketch illustrates the Whole of a person, and #1 is the physical body, with brain. The only faculty we have for experiencing the other three is one's faculty of Intuition. Which requires a Soul to have acquired a substantial amount of Knowledge, which is acquired by Completing Karma over many lifetimes... which goes against the beliefs of many Christians.
So... thinking alone will never provide one an experience of the Spirituality existing "Within" oneself. Peace
So... thinking alone will never provide one an experience of the Spirituality existing "Within" oneself. Peace
Yeah, it's probably that whole drowning all humans and animals in a global flood except for a few that is misinterpreted as a bad thing. Let's note this fix didn't fix anything, sinn still was a problem. It was such a problem that God had to impregnate a woman to create a human to sacrifice to itself for the sin of mankind. Of course this whole system is what this God created, so ultimately the responsibility fall on the Creator's shoulders. It makes us wonder if this God is so perfect why did creation go off the rails so badly and so often?
So these folks are open to gay marriage? Are they open to universal healthcare and support Planned parenthood's efforts to help the poor? They oppose tax cuts to the wealthy so social programs can be funded to help the needy? Plus wealthy Christians should be giving their wealth away to the poor, as Jesus taught, yes? Is this what you see among your conservative Christian friends?
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
No he doesn't. God lives in the heart of serial killers and child molesters?
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
Gay marriage has nothing to do with it. And no they don't support killing babies. Yes they tend to give to the less fortunate. And will help anyone who needs help, regardless of who that person is.
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
We are like ants compared to him. Would you become an ant in order to save them from destruction that was due to their own mistakes?
And the strongest do survive, which is how the theory of evolution was formed as an observation. Do you think the children born with genetic defects stood a chance before medicine was able to treat them? No, they died. Yet many humans still thought a loving God existed and cared for people. I guess they were grateful they survived and weren't those who lost the lottery of life.
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
God doesn't encourage murder. Read The ten commandments. Instead he died to save the people who had him killed.