False, God could have made humans wise and with the knowledge to know better than to disobey. A&E didn't have the mental tools to know the consequences of disobeying the rules. God even tempted them, which shows it was a setup. God knew it created gullible people and then duped them. So the whole sin and salvation model falls apart as being necessary and moral.
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Frustrated athiest asks why do you believe in God?
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SkepticThinker
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That not only doesn't answer any of my questions, but it again demonstrates the immorality of your God and belief system. Scapegoating your responsibilities onto someone else doesn't absolve you of your responsibility to the person you have wronged. And yet your belief system says that it does.
Why is a blood sacrifice moral? Well, because God says so! Oh okay, well that clears it all up.
Come to think of it, you don't have a moral system at all. You're not actually exercising morality; you're just following orders.
SkepticThinker
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What a ridiculous "plan" that was. Blood sacrifice? How primitive.
Wasn't the big flood supposed to rid the world of sinners? What happened there?
This same God also didn't know that Adam and Eve would eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil that he put in front of them for some reason?
It's just one mistake after another with this deity.
If that's how a deity chooses to be known, its existence won't be apparent to those who evaluate evidence critically. I have never read anything from any messenger or prophet that millions of people couldn't have written. If those words were divinely inspired, there is no evidence of that in any of those very human words. If there is a deity that wants to be known, it will need to reveal itself using something transhuman. What else could be considered evidence of a deity?
I don't know what that first clause beginning, "On one hand" means. I assume that noneism means atheism. Atheism requires no evidence. It is the lack of sufficient evidence for gods to justify belief in them combined with the requirement that an idea ought to be justified before being believed that justifies atheism.
Wildswanderer
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That debatable. Some have a degree of reasoning capabilities.
Wildswanderer
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You don't know if killing for fun is better than killing for a reason?
Wildswanderer
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According to a finite human who has no understanding of the atonement.
Wildswanderer
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Call it a second chance.
Wildswanderer
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Hilarious from someone whose system has no reason for any kind of morality.That not only doesn't answer any of my questions, but it again demonstrates the immorality of your God and belief system. Scapegoating your responsibilities onto someone else doesn't absolve you of your responsibility to the person you have wronged. And yet your belief system says that it does.
Why is a blood sacrifice moral? Well, because God says so! Oh okay, well that clears it all up.
Come to think of it, you don't have a moral system at all. You're not actually exercising morality; you're just following orders.
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
Nonsense. He knows everything , that's part of being omniscient... You shouldn't discuss things you haven't studied.
I think you mean problem solving ability. But it is still vastly lower than humans.
So you admit that God knew Adam and Eve would Fall. And God knew this before Creation.
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
Of course... that's why Jesus was slain before the foundation of the world, not literally, but the plan has always been made.
Morality is both biological and reasoned.
Of course morality is in the eye of the beholder. Do you think the Christians who tortured and burned people alive for witchcraft in the 17th century were following God's direct influence and advise, or that it was reasoned action?
Who is your God, Rube Goldberg?
What a messy theology. Torture and human sacrifice, and then blame the people for it all?
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
Then if I reason that I can increase my tribe by killing your tribe and taking all your stuff and taking all your women that is biological evolution's morals.
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
The people are to blame for their actions, and I hope you would agree. If not you are endorsing every evil in history.
The truth is, we all choose evil at times. We all need redemption.
A&E were designed to fail. The Christian dogma says we humans inherited this sin from their failure. So sin isn't the fault of any human, but rather the system the Creator designed. To create a son and then torture/murder him to redeem the system God created is absurd. It fixed nothing. It wasn't necessary.
ppp
Well-Known Member
You are an infinite human with an understanding of atonement, eh?
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
"Good" "Bad"
Kindly tell us as to what is good and what is bad and give compelling arguments to substantiate one's stance, please??
Right?
Also, kindly let us know one's compelling arguments or the Methodology one adopted that forced one to join one's now "none-ism", please. Right?
One may like to google for the denominations/types of Atheism, and others please::
- 7 different types of non-believers | Salon.com
- The six types of atheist | Andrew Brown | The Guardian
The World's Newest Major Religion: No Religion
Right?
Regards