G-d and the Devil

[Mister Emu]

If you break a law in science, it ceases to be a law.

If the Lord exists He is above nature, and thus above natural laws. Just because we are bound by them does not mean higher entities are.

 

[KirbyFan101]

If the Lord exists He is above nature, and thus above natural laws. Just because we are bound by them does not mean higher entities are.

As your belief, thats fine.

I, however, don't see that as being rational.

 

[michel]

As your belief, thats fine.

I, however, don't see that as being rational.

May I ask why?

 

[KirbyFan101]

May I ask why?

I don't see any reason to believe that there is a "God" besides to comfort my own insecurities, which I have learnt to deal with.

God defies logic and reason. I am more inclined to believe he is a fantasy than that he/she/it is real.

 

[michel]

That's fair enough, if that is your view - but I am puzzeled; do you believe in Satan?

 

[KirbyFan101]

That's fair enough, if that is your view - but I am puzzeled; do you believe in Satan?

In Satan? Well, that depends on your definition of Satan.

The big guy covered in flames with wings and hooves? No.

The carnal desires of lust/greed/wrath etc. In all of us? Yes.

 

[michel]

Ah, that's fine; I thought maybe you believed in the 'guy'.........

 

[KirbyFan101]

Ah, that's fine; I thought maybe you believed in the 'guy'.........

Hehe no. It would be quite strange to believe in Belial and not God :woohoo:

 

[michel]

Blast! Hoped you were going to trip up there!:biglaugh:

 

[KirbyFan101]

Blast! Hoped you were going to trip up there!:biglaugh:

So that raises the question, do YOU believe in Satan. If so, describe him for me

 

[michel]

So that raises the question, do YOU believe in Satan. If so, describe him for me

I'll do better than that - have a read of http://users.aristotle.net/~bhuie/satan.htm.

 

[KirbyFan101]

I'll do better than that - have a read of http://users.aristotle.net/~bhuie/satan.htm.

Hmm, so let me ask you this (and I want the truth here).

In your eyes, am I (a Satanist) going to Hell?

 

[michel]

Hmm, so let me ask you this (and I want the truth here).

In your eyes, am I (a Satanist) going to Hell?

I haven't a clue; as far as I am concerned, if you lead a good and moral life there is no reason why you should .

 

[KirbyFan101]

I haven't a clue; as far as I am concerned, if you lead a good and moral life there is no reason why you should .

:bounce

If you wonder why I would ask such a question, it is because of this:

[size=+1] In the end, Christ will return and subjugate all who won't submit to God's authority, including Satan and his angels. Their punishment will be age-lasting destruction and refinement within the lake of fire.

From that source you gave me. Sounds scary
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[michel]

I would have to pass on that one - someone more qualified than I to answer - I'm a newboy to Christianity. I do believe, however that it doesn't really matter what you call God, but that you believe in following Jesus Christ's example and moralities; for all I know, you 'sound' O.K to me, therefore I would have thought you have no worries (But that's just my opinion).

 

[true blood]

The Devil was to tempt us into the 7 deadly sins, and hence, to Hell. His purpose and objective was clear, simple, and defined.

I've heard of the 7 deadly sins in books and movies but I have failed to read about them in the Bible. Can anyone lead me to the passages that explain these 7 sins? I don't think they exist.

 

[Watcher]

*** are you saying? Do you think "god" (whatever) needs to be in "evil" in order to be all powerful and omnipotent? How do you draw that conclusion?

i'm not saying "god" need to be anything. I'm just saying that when you say, god is all powerful, in everything and everyone, omnipotent and omnipresent, and then you say that god isn't in evil, it's a contradiction. If god is omnipresent and omnipotent then he/she/it would also have to be present in evil.

 

[zena45]

yes i agree try to think of it this way man/woman good/bad God/satan ying/yan opposites that define one another then Spirit was contains and is beyond both

This maybe completely against the belief of some members, and if it is, I apologise in advance.

I was out walking the other day, sat on a bench to recover for a few minutes, and suddenly felt a 'wave of realization' perhaps that is enlightenment - I am not sure.

I was thinking of G-d and the devil; comparing the human form, in which, I believe, we reflect both of these 'aspects' and suddenly wondered if the devil is just the same - another 'facet' of G-d, which is there to 'test us'.

Any thoughts?:flirt:

 

[Godslove]

This maybe completely against the belief of some members, and if it is, I apologise in advance.

I was out walking the other day, sat on a bench to recover for a few minutes, and suddenly felt a 'wave of realization' perhaps that is enlightenment - I am not sure.

I was thinking of G-d and the devil; comparing the human form, in which, I believe, we reflect both of these 'aspects' and suddenly wondered if the devil is just the same - another 'facet' of G-d, which is there to 'test us'.

Any thoughts?

Satan the Devil the word Devil means evil. the devil was cast out of heaven why he rebelled against God. How many here on earth rebel against God and choose evil over good., know different. the Devil cannot enter into heaven nor can those that choose evil enter into heaven. Something to think about. And yes he was an Angle that god loved but because he choose to do evil he was cast out .The devil has no flesh and bone and his spirit is in the form of man. And the Devil seek to poses bodies of flesh and bone if given the chance.Amen

 

[S-word]

This maybe completely against the belief of some members, and if it is, I apologise in advance.

I was out walking the other day, sat on a bench to recover for a few minutes, and suddenly felt a 'wave of realization' perhaps that is enlightenment - I am not sure.

I was thinking of G-d and the devil; comparing the human form, in which, I believe, we reflect both of these 'aspects' and suddenly wondered if the devil is just the same - another 'facet' of G-d, which is there to 'test us'.

Any thoughts?

And the spirit descended on Jesus in the form of a dove and led him into the wilderness where he was tempted for forty day etc.
2 Samuel 24, the Lord, who had tried to kill Moses on his return to Egypt, was angry with Israel and he made David bring trouble on them, and he commanded David to take a census of the people. (Same story) 1 Chronicles 21, Satan wanted to bring trouble on the people of Israel, so he made David decide to take a census of the people. Jesus was the one chosen by the 'Son of Man' through he revealed himself to mankind, and the Son of Man who was the very image of God, yet refused to claim equality to him said through his Obedient sevant Jesus who spoke not one word on his own authority, but only that which he was commanded to say, in John 3: 14, In the same manner as Moses lifted up the IMAGE of the serpent in the desert, in order that those who were dying because of the venom of the serpent that coursed through their veins only had to turn their eyes to the serpent who had been lifted up to be saved, so too, the Son of Man who was the image of the Godhead, had to be lifted up, so that they who are dying because of their incessent accusation against Gods first born son, might turn to his Image who was lifted up in order to be saved. John 17: 5, Father! Give me glory in your presence now, the same glory I had with you before this world was made.