G-D's Son Is Israel- Not Jesus

[moorea944]

The statement is not true.

I also heard that it means, one who wrestles with God. That was because of Jacob wrestling with the angels. His name was changed to Israel.
Another one I heard was Prince of God. I think it was like that...

 

[Ingledsva]

The statement is not true.

Actually it does appear to be true.

Though I might make it - A Mighty Light is God - or - A Mighty Sun is God.

Can you give us some thoughts on your - not true?

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Actually it does appear to be true.

Though I might make it - A Mighty Light is God - or - A Mighty Sun is God.

Can you give us some thoughts on your - not true?

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Because (though I am not deigning to speak for RabbiO) the etymology of the word does not support your contention whereas the text, itself, provides the meaning and origin of the word (Gen 32:29) and makes the connection with striving with God explicit. Do you have any citation to support your contention regarding "mighty light"? The Hebrew doesn't lend itself to that.

 

[Ingledsva]

Because (though I am not deigning to speak for RabbiO) the etymology of the word does not support your contention whereas the text, itself, provides the meaning and origin of the word (Gen 32:29) and makes the connection with striving with God explicit. Do you have any citation to support your contention regarding "mighty light"? The Hebrew doesn't lend itself to that.

Sorry if this is a little disjointed - I'm picking a few short sections from my paper on this.

Actually Israel is related to Sarah/Sarai. I -Sra - el. These go back to a Sun Goddess.

ORAH: Variant spelling of Hebrew Ora, meaning "light."

The name Sarah is identical to the Hebrew noun שׂרה (sara), ... a similar root-verb in Assyrian, sararu means to rise in splendor (of the sun.)

www.abarim-publications.com/Meaning/Sarah.html


“The two forms of the name, "Sarah" and "Sarai," are identical in meaning; it is difficult to understand the reason for the change. "Sarai" is probably the more archaic form of "Sarah," though the termination "ai" is unusual in the feminine. The writer of Gen. xvii. 15 must have considered the "ah" of "Sarah" as implying in some way "yahu" or "yah" (the "Yhwh" element). Accordingly, the change would be similar to that of "Joshua" to "Jehoshua." Perhaps it was the intention to read the name "Sarayahu," the "hu" being added to "Sarai." In that case the meaning "princess" now given to "Sarah" must be abandoned. The element "sarah" is identical with a part of the name "Israel," and "Sarah" and "Sarai" are appropriate names for Israel's mother (Isa. li. 2; comp. Robertson Smith, "Kinship and Marriage," p. 30; for the forms see Olshausen, "Lehrbuch der Hebräischen Sprache," § 110; Nöldeke, in "Z. D M. G." 1886, p. 183; 1888, p. 484; König, "Historisch-Kritisches Lehrgebäude," II. i. 427). The name "Sa-ra-a" is reported to occur in Babylonian tablets (Cheyne and Black, "Encyc. Bibl." iv. 4285, note 3).”

Even Rabbinical material associates her with great bright light.

In Pharaoh's Harem.

On the journey to Egypt, Abraham hid his wife in a chest in order that no one might see her. At the frontier the chest had to pass through the hands of certain officials, who insisted on examining its contents in order to determine the amount of duty payable. When it was opened a bright light proceeded from Sarah's beauty

Some think Abraham and Sarah represent two tribes coming together with Sarah's, being matrilineal, and linking to a Sun Goddess. And they birth Israel.

(2) …Tribal antipathies and sympathies, and political and racial interdependence and kinship, are expressed by them; but frequently, in order to complete a system, an individual ancestor or eponym is invented. While some of the names that occur are clearly those of clans, or of localities, Abraham = Abiram is not. It seems to be an appellative; but it is connected with Hebron, an old center. Sarai = Sarah, on the other hand, is the name of a clan—Israel. As Jacob became Israel in another cycle (with Beth-el), so here Abraham (Hebron) is connected with Israel. This is the meaning of the marriage of Abraham with Sarah, as similar ethnic or historical data underlie the story of his dealings with Hagar and Keturah.

“(4) Originally, Canaanite local eponyms connected with Israel; the Patriarchs were later ranged and ranked systematically, so as to establish an exclusive descent for Israel and disclose its distinction as the people of Yhwh. In this scheme Abraham becomes the "great ancestor" (Abram), or "the ancestor of many nations." Through his wife Sarah he begets the Isaac-Jacob tribes, or Israel (= Sarah); and through his concubine Hagar he begets Ishmael, who therefore is marked as lesser in her degree of purity.

SARAH (SARAI) - JewishEncyclopedia.com


Variations of Both names, Abraham and Sarah, are found on Babylonian tablets.

Encyclopædia biblica: a critical dictionary of the literary, political and ... - Google Books

Again - sorry it is so jumbled. LOL! I tried to include some of the Jewish sources.

In other words, basically, Sarah/Sarai means Bright Sun - and is imbedded in Israel- whom she gave birth to.

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[rosends]

Sorry if this is a little disjointed - I'm picking a few short sections from my paper on this.

Actually Israel is related to Sarah/Sarai. I -Sra - el. These go back to a Sun Goddess.

ORAH: Variant spelling of Hebrew Ora, meaning "light."

The name Sarah is identical to the Hebrew noun שׂרה (sara), ... a similar root-verb in Assyrian, sararu means to rise in splendor (of the sun.)

www.abarim-publications.com/Meaning/Sarah.html


“The two forms of the name, "Sarah" and "Sarai," are identical in meaning; it is difficult to understand the reason for the change. "Sarai" is probably the more archaic form of "Sarah," though the termination "ai" is unusual in the feminine. The writer of Gen. xvii. 15 must have considered the "ah" of "Sarah" as implying in some way "yahu" or "yah" (the "Yhwh" element). Accordingly, the change would be similar to that of "Joshua" to "Jehoshua." Perhaps it was the intention to read the name "Sarayahu," the "hu" being added to "Sarai." In that case the meaning "princess" now given to "Sarah" must be abandoned. The element "sarah" is identical with a part of the name "Israel," and "Sarah" and "Sarai" are appropriate names for Israel's mother (Isa. li. 2; comp. Robertson Smith, "Kinship and Marriage," p. 30; for the forms see Olshausen, "Lehrbuch der Hebräischen Sprache," § 110; Nöldeke, in "Z. D M. G." 1886, p. 183; 1888, p. 484; König, "Historisch-Kritisches Lehrgebäude," II. i. 427). The name "Sa-ra-a" is reported to occur in Babylonian tablets (Cheyne and Black, "Encyc. Bibl." iv. 4285, note 3).”

Even Rabbinical material associates her with great bright light.

In Pharaoh's Harem.

On the journey to Egypt, Abraham hid his wife in a chest in order that no one might see her. At the frontier the chest had to pass through the hands of certain officials, who insisted on examining its contents in order to determine the amount of duty payable. When it was opened a bright light proceeded from Sarah's beauty

Some think Abraham and Sarah represent two tribes coming together with Sarah's, being matrilineal, and linking to a Sun Goddess. And they birth Israel.

(2) …Tribal antipathies and sympathies, and political and racial interdependence and kinship, are expressed by them; but frequently, in order to complete a system, an individual ancestor or eponym is invented. While some of the names that occur are clearly those of clans, or of localities, Abraham = Abiram is not. It seems to be an appellative; but it is connected with Hebron, an old center. Sarai = Sarah, on the other hand, is the name of a clan—Israel. As Jacob became Israel in another cycle (with Beth-el), so here Abraham (Hebron) is connected with Israel. This is the meaning of the marriage of Abraham with Sarah, as similar ethnic or historical data underlie the story of his dealings with Hagar and Keturah.

“(4) Originally, Canaanite local eponyms connected with Israel; the Patriarchs were later ranged and ranked systematically, so as to establish an exclusive descent for Israel and disclose its distinction as the people of Yhwh. In this scheme Abraham becomes the "great ancestor" (Abram), or "the ancestor of many nations." Through his wife Sarah he begets the Isaac-Jacob tribes, or Israel (= Sarah); and through his concubine Hagar he begets Ishmael, who therefore is marked as lesser in her degree of purity.

SARAH (SARAI) - JewishEncyclopedia.com


Variations of Both names, Abraham and Sarah, are found on Babylonian tablets.

Encyclopædia biblica: a critical dictionary of the literary, political and ... - Google Books

Again - sorry it is so jumbled. LOL! I tried to include some of the Jewish sources.

In other words, basically, Sarah/Sarai means Bright Sun - and is imbedded in Israel- whom she gave birth to.

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These are interesting claims mired in mistakes. There is no "or" (light) in Sarah's name so the connection to "orah" is misplaced. Or has an aleph. Sarah does not. They share a single letter, reish (and when you feninize the word or to make orah, they share a hey but then so does any feminized word -- does "shirah" (song) mean "light" because it shares 3 letters with Sarah?

There are 8 different words with share the SH-R-H form in Hebrew:
Struggle/contend
Princess
open/dissolve
rest/dwell
immerse/saturate
maintain/support
a woman singer
chain/bracelet

SH-R by itself means
Chief/leader
singer
navel
chain

In other words, the claim that there is a "Hebrew noun" related to the sun is false. There is no connection to light. To say that rabbinically, there is reference to Sarah lighting up a room is NOT to say that therefore her name means light, just that she was beautiful -- the same rabbis say that Moses lit up a room; what does that say about his name? When I say my wife lights up a room, that doesn't mean her name means anything other than what it means. Claims that the name Sarah is "identical" with the element in Israel shows profound ignorance of Hebrew. You can cite all the texts you want. I have Klein's "A Comprehensive Etymological Dictionary of the Hebrew Language" with me, and the text of the bible which explains (for example) Israel's name as being rooted in struggling/wrestling.

The additional claim that the -ai ending is unusual and the "writer" must have added on the -ah ending to try and imply some element ignores the explicit reason the text gives for the change of the letters. And, of course, the claim that therefore on must abandon the "princess" meaning is foolish because the SH-R root is chief (masculine) and adding the -H simply feminizes chief to "female chief/princess."

So the stuff you cut and paste is so rife with mistakes and false claims as to be ludicrous. Simply look up what the word means in the text and what the word means in Hebrew instead of relying on the conclusions drawn by a text which, clearly, doesn't know the language.

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

And the Jews and the Christians say: "We are the sons of Allah and His loved ones." Say: "Why then does He punish you for your sins?" Nay, you are but human beings, of those He has created, He forgives whom He wills and He punishes whom He wills. And to Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and all that is between them, and to Him is the return (of all). (5:18)

 

[Ingledsva]

These are interesting claims mired in mistakes. There is no "or" (light) in Sarah's name so the connection to "orah" is misplaced. Or has an aleph. Sarah does not. They share a single letter, reish (and when you feninize the word or to make orah, they share a hey but then so does any feminized word -- does "shirah" (song) mean "light" because it shares 3 letters with Sarah?

There are 8 different words with share the SH-R-H form in Hebrew:
Struggle/contend
Princess
open/dissolve
rest/dwell
immerse/saturate
maintain/support
a woman singer
chain/bracelet

SH-R by itself means
Chief/leader
singer
navel
chain

In other words, the claim that there is a "Hebrew noun" related to the sun is false. There is no connection to light. To say that rabbinically, there is reference to Sarah lighting up a room is NOT to say that therefore her name means light, just that she was beautiful -- the same rabbis say that Moses lit up a room; what does that say about his name? When I say my wife lights up a room, that doesn't mean her name means anything other than what it means. Claims that the name Sarah is "identical" with the element in Israel shows profound ignorance of Hebrew. You can cite all the texts you want. I have Klein's "A Comprehensive Etymological Dictionary of the Hebrew Language" with me, and the text of the bible which explains (for example) Israel's name as being rooted in struggling/wrestling.

The additional claim that the -ai ending is unusual and the "writer" must have added on the -ah ending to try and imply some element ignores the explicit reason the text gives for the change of the letters. And, of course, the claim that therefore on must abandon the "princess" meaning is foolish because the SH-R root is chief (masculine) and adding the -H simply feminizes chief to "female chief/princess."

So the stuff you cut and paste is so rife with mistakes and false claims as to be ludicrous. Simply look up what the word means in the text and what the word means in Hebrew instead of relying on the conclusions drawn by a text which, clearly, doesn't know the language.

PURE BULL!

They did not originally have the vowels.

And the majority of that was from JEWISH sites ON PURPOSE, - for people like you. I could post far more information from NON-Abrahamic religious sites, but you folks won't accept them.

It does not matter what later dictionaries say! There is a link to earlier words, and myth, - and that is a fact! And the bright light in the Rabbinical stories show the connection. And she doesn't light up a room - they open a box and bright light shines out. There are multiple mythic stories about boxes holding sunlight.

The name Sarah is identical to the Hebrew noun שׂרה (sara), ... a similar root-verb in Assyrian, sararu means to rise in splendor (of the sun.)

And of course other related "sara" words meaning SUN, - such as the Babylonian Sa-ra-a.

Two Jewish sites, Abarim, and Jewish Encyclopedia, tell us Sara is related to bright light sun, and that the word is embedded in the word Israel!

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[Unification]

PURE BULL!

They did not originally have the vowels.

And the majority of that was from JEWISH sites ON PURPOSE, - for people like you. I could post far more information from NON-Abrahamic religious sites, but you folks won't accept them.

It does not matter what later dictionaries say! There is a link to earlier words, and myth, - and that is a fact! And the bright light in the Rabbinical stories show the connection. And she doesn't light up a room - they open a box and bright light shines out. There are multiple mythic stories about boxes holding sunlight.

The name Sarah is identical to the Hebrew noun שׂרה (sara), ... a similar root-verb in Assyrian, sararu means to rise in splendor (of the sun.)

And of course other related "sara" words meaning SUN, - such as the Babylonian Sa-ra-a.

Two Jewish sites, Abarim, and Jewish Encyclopedia, tell us Sara is related to bright light sun, and that the word is embedded in the word Israel!

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In other words, when Sara gave birth to the saving light.... a bunch of energy flowed from your brain and heart throughout your body.

 

[rosends]

PURE BULL!

They did not originally have the vowels.

And the majority of that was from JEWISH sites ON PURPOSE, - for people like you. I could post far more information from NON-Abrahamic religious sites, but you folks won't accept them.

It does not matter what later dictionaries say! There is a link to earlier words, and myth, - and that is a fact! And the bright light in the Rabbinical stories show the connection. And she doesn't light up a room - they open a box and bright light shines out. There are multiple mythic stories about boxes holding sunlight.

The name Sarah is identical to the Hebrew noun שׂרה (sara), ... a similar root-verb in Assyrian, sararu means to rise in splendor (of the sun.)

And of course other related "sara" words meaning SUN, - such as the Babylonian Sa-ra-a.

Two Jewish sites, Abarim, and Jewish Encyclopedia, tell us Sara is related to bright light sun, and that the word is embedded in the word Israel!

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Nice for you to claim "pure bull" -- a very sound rhetorical method. Not only isn't it pure bull, but the three letter root I mentioned has no vowels (sh-r-h).
And none of that was from a Jewish site. I typed it all after reading a dictionary. You mean you don't do all your own thinking? You just post from other sites? That's sad.
I like how you say that a link to myth is fact. That's hilarious. Of course, you haven't linked to anything other than claims that aren't based in the language, just in plain unsupported assertions. If you read the story, her beauty shines throughout the room. She isn't a light anymore than Moses's radiance meant he was a light. And in neither case does that affect a name. The "Jewish" source actually says " At the frontier the chest had to pass through the hands of certain officials, who insisted on examining its contents in order to determine the amount of duty payable. When it was opened a bright light proceeded from Sarah's beauty." So her name was Sarah before that moment, the light comes from her beauty, and none of it is connected to her name. That's what you have as "proof"? The same text says this about Moses: "A peculiar and glorious light filled the entire house at his birth (ib.; "S. Y." p. 112b), indicating that he was worthy of the gift of prophecy"
MOSES - JewishEncyclopedia.com so this combined with the fact that the Hebrew name Moshe shares 2 letters with the Hebrew word "Yisrael" must mean what exactly?
The name Sarah is not at all related to any Hebrew noun meaning "splendor of the sun." In fact, there is no such noun unless you can show me another biblical location where such a noun exists. Translation שרה | Morfix Hebrew English Dictionary
And, of course, the word is not embedded in the word "Israel" as the word Israel only shares 2 of its 5 letters with 2 of the 3 letters in Sarah. Same as Moses' name. You may not like facts, but that doesn't mean they don't exist.

 

[Ingledsva]

Nice for you to claim "pure bull" -- a very sound rhetorical method. Not only isn't it pure bull, but the three letter root I mentioned has no vowels (sh-r-h).
And none of that was from a Jewish site. I typed it all after reading a dictionary. You mean you don't do all your own thinking? You just post from other sites? That's sad.
I like how you say that a link to myth is fact. That's hilarious. Of course, you haven't linked to anything other than claims that aren't based in the language, just in plain unsupported assertions. If you read the story, her beauty shines throughout the room. She isn't a light anymore than Moses's radiance meant he was a light. And in neither case does that affect a name. The "Jewish" source actually says " At the frontier the chest had to pass through the hands of certain officials, who insisted on examining its contents in order to determine the amount of duty payable. When it was opened a bright light proceeded from Sarah's beauty." So her name was Sarah before that moment, the light comes from her beauty, and none of it is connected to her name. That's what you have as "proof"? The same text says this about Moses: "A peculiar and glorious light filled the entire house at his birth (ib.; "S. Y." p. 112b), indicating that he was worthy of the gift of prophecy"
MOSES - JewishEncyclopedia.com so this combined with the fact that the Hebrew name Moshe shares 2 letters with the Hebrew word "Yisrael" must mean what exactly?
The name Sarah is not at all related to any Hebrew noun meaning "splendor of the sun." In fact, there is no such noun unless you can show me another biblical location where such a noun exists. Translation שרה | Morfix Hebrew English Dictionary
And, of course, the word is not embedded in the word "Israel" as the word Israel only shares 2 of its 5 letters with 2 of the 3 letters in Sarah. Same as Moses' name. You may not like facts, but that doesn't mean they don't exist.

Again Bull! I linked to the pages.

Sarah’s connection to the Sun was well known. It shows up in the old Hebrew stories. And the first one below - says it ALL!

“…The two went, and when they arrived in Egypt and stood on the banks of the Nile, Abraham saw Sarah’s reflection in the river as a dazzling sun…” (Tanhuma, Lekh Lekha 5).

“…When they opened it, all the land of Egypt was resplendent with her beauty [literally, light]” (Gen. Rabbah 40:5)

“…a similar root-verb in Assyrian, sararu means to rise in splendor (of the sun, ...” (abarim-publications)


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[rosends]

Again Bull! I linked to the pages.

Sarah’s connection to the Sun was well known. It shows up in the old Hebrew stories. And the first one below - says it ALL!

“…The two went, and when they arrived in Egypt and stood on the banks of the Nile, Abraham saw Sarah’s reflection in the river as a dazzling sun…” (Tanhuma, Lekh Lekha 5).

“…When they opened it, all the land of Egypt was resplendent with her beauty [literally, light]” (Gen. Rabbah 40:5)

“…a similar root-verb in Assyrian, sararu means to rise in splendor (of the sun, ...” (abarim-publications)


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OK, let's try to go through this again...
1. The tanchuma is rabbinic lore written in poetic language. In another text Jacob was refered to as a mirror with no light. Does this mean that either 1. he IS a mirror with no light or 2. His name therefore means "mirror with no light"?
2. The Rabbah quote says that her BEAUTY lit up the room (I also quoted the medrash that says that Moses lit up a room. You seemed to ignore that) Does this mean that "beauty=light and so her name is beauty"? That she was unnamed until that moment?
3. the "similar root" -- I have DIRECT ROOTS. Do you want them? The Arabic Shara (struggle) the Ethiopian saraya, remitted, the Akkadian Shurru, to begin, the Akkadian Sharru, king, the Ethiopian sharara was founded, the Syriac sharar, was strong. Oh, you want the Akkadian shararu, to rise in splendor, which relates to a king's rise in power?

 

[Ingledsva]

OK, let's try to go through this again...
1. The tanchuma is rabbinic lore written in poetic language. In another text Jacob was refered to as a mirror with no light. Does this mean that either 1. he IS a mirror with no light or 2. His name therefore means "mirror with no light"?
2. The Rabbah quote says that her BEAUTY lit up the room (I also quoted the medrash that says that Moses lit up a room. You seemed to ignore that) Does this mean that "beauty=light and so her name is beauty"? That she was unnamed until that moment?
3. the "similar root" -- I have DIRECT ROOTS. Do you want them? The Arabic Shara (struggle) the Ethiopian saraya, remitted, the Akkadian Shurru, to begin, the Akkadian Sharru, king, the Ethiopian sharara was founded, the Syriac sharar, was strong. Oh, you want the Akkadian shararu, to rise in splendor, which relates to a king's rise in power?

And again bull.

We have the name in surrounding myth, meaning Sun and Sunlight.

And we have rabbinical lore showing the SUN connection to her.

Only you choose to not understand this.

And the site saying her name is in Israel - is Jewish Encyclopedia.

As for Moses - people have even noticed that if you switch around the letters of his name you also get a SUN relation - Moses (משה) becomes Shemmah (שמה).

And of course he got his name from a SUN Pharaoh.

SO, Why? Because the whole Hebrew religion started out as a SUN religion.

YHVH is also a Sun God, and a lot of the myth is taken from surrounding Pagan religions. This is nothing new.

I could care less if you choose not to believe it. It appears to be a fact.

There is far too much obvious sun info in plain sight for it to be bull.

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Exodus 4:22

Exodus - Chapter 4 (Parshah Shemot) - Tanakh Online - Torah - Bible

22. And you shall say to Pharaoh, 'So said the Lord, "My firstborn son is Israel." '

No where in the Tanach will you find anything about jesus must less him being the son of G-D.

However, G-D explicitly says that his first born son is Israel.

Comments

I believe God is making an attribution not stating that Israel is actually His son. God is simply telling Pharaoh that He has as much affection for Israel as Pharaoh has for his own son.

I believe this applies: Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

 

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And the Jews and the Christians say: "We are the sons of Allah and His loved ones." Say: "Why then does He punish you for your sins?" Nay, you are but human beings, of those He has created, He forgives whom He wills and He punishes whom He wills. And to Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and all that is between them, and to Him is the return (of all). (5:18)

I beleive this appears to be off topic but for arguments sake, I believe the angel was mistaken in that God does attribute a greater status to His children than to those who are not just as He atributed status to Israel that Pharaoh didn't have.

 

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I really don't see what the point of this thread is. It's not like Christians and religious Jews are going to agree unless God intervenes and sets one or the other of us straight, so might as well drop it.

I believe that does not mean that a post can state misinformation and think that no-one will have a rational argument to the contrary. For instance the later assertion that Jacob was the first King of Israel which was appropriately quickly disavowed.

I do believe that Jews will not admit that their version of things is incorrect but anyone who can reason appropriately ought to be able to see which is which.

 

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Yes. They made God's son into a Greek god. So that which they made is as far away from the Jews as you can get. But that which was born is Israel personified.

I beleive there is no evidence to support this view.

I believe that is an inteesting proposition so I would love to see what evidence you have for it.

 

[savagewind]

I beleive there is no evidence to support this view.

The name they gave him (and there I was thinking there was no more laughs to be had.) Thanks!

I believe that is an inteesting proposition so I would love to see what evidence you have for it.

Israel was or is, I don't know, God's chosen people. Yeshua was the man God chose to be God's sole representative. Israel represents God's presence in The World. Yeshua is God's presence on Earth. The Law of Israel was about obedience. Yeshua is about perfect obedience. They are the same.

 

[CMike]

I believe God is making an attribution not stating that Israel is actually His son. God is simply telling Pharaoh that He has as much affection for Israel as Pharaoh has for his own son.

I believe this applies: Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

The correct translation.

Yeshayahu - Chapter 9 - Tanakh Online - Torah - Bible

5 For a child has been born to us, a son given to us, and the authority is upon his shoulder, and the wondrous adviser, the mighty God, the everlasting Father, called his name, "the prince of peace."

 

[CMike]

The name they gave him (and there I was thinking there was no more laughs to be had.) Thanks!

Israel was or is, I don't know, God's chosen people. Yeshua was the man God chose to be God's sole representative. Israel represents God's presence in The World. Yeshua is God's presence on Earth. The Law of Israel was about obedience. Yeshua is about perfect obedience. They are the same.

That's just silly.

 

[Unification]

I'm just curious, if God is no respector of persons, why would the literal and physical country of Israel mean anything whatsoever?

Complete contradiction.