Gay parenthood

[Viker]

Back to gay parenting. Sorry. ;p

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

They disbanded at least for the time being. Religious bigotry got out of hand in Croatia. They went either underground and/or out of site.

Ah. Well, I'd love it if you could PM me as much info on them as you can. I'm very curious about their teachings and beliefs.

Now I won't derail the thread anymore. Haha.

 

[Estro Felino]

Lying to a child just because? Really?

Because it's inconceivable that a 8 year old boy thinks of his hay parents making out in a bed. and I said making out. Not to mention having sex

 

[Gjallarhorn]

Because it's inconceivable that a 8 year old boy thinks of his hay parents making out in a bed. and I said making out. Not to mention having sex

But it's entirely conceivable. All you have to do is past you post-breakup bigotry and notice that kids walk in on their parents all the time, which is loads worse.

 

[Estro Felino]

But it's entirely conceivable. All you have to do is past you post-breakup bigotry and notice that kids walk in on their parents all the time, which is loads worse.

Given that I have a gynocentric vision of life, it is very very hard for me to consider two gay men as parents.
It's like stealing something from the sacred concept of motherhood.
By creating a family only made up of male parents, they destroy the sacred concept of motherhood and femininity.
It's like they told their child that woman plays no role in life. Woman is just a uterus for rent.
You cannot separate motherhood from parenthood. All right...one thing is traumatic events like widowed men who grow up alone their children.
another thing is to create this situation artificially.

 

[LuisDantas]

Because it's inconceivable that a 8 year old boy thinks of his hay parents making out in a bed. and I said making out. Not to mention having sex

Is it? I think you are underestimating children - and parents, come to think of it.

 

[LuisDantas]

Given that I have a gynocentric vision of life, it is very very hard for me to consider two gay men as parents.
It's like stealing something from the sacred concept of motherhood.

It may or may not be. It will all depend on whether the child has access to motherhood.

And before you ask, no, it does not really have anything to do with whether there is a woman among the parents. Trust me.

In case I'm not clear, tell me and I will explain why.

By creating a family only made up of male parents, they destroy the sacred concept of motherhood and femininity.

That may or may not happen. It will depend entirely on what kind of environment the child has access to. And to a point, on how the parents themselves behave.

Quite frankly, the odds are better for the child with gay parents, other facts being unknown. There will be more care and less reckless assumptions floating around.

It's like they told their child that woman plays no role in life. Woman is just a uterus for rent.

Oh, come on. Are we talking about some fantasy land where children are raised without even learning that women exist?

You cannot separate motherhood from parenthood.

You really should not, on that much we agree. It is too bad that so many hetero couples do just that.

All right...one thing is traumatic events like widowed men who grow up alone their children.
another thing is to create this situation artificially.

Gynocentrism: centrality of woman

It seems to me that if anything gay couples are more likely to be careful about giving children access to good role models. You should not presume so much about them.

 

[Wirey]

I see your point.

I think what is being missed is that a lot of gay guys have vagina phobia..because its a vagina...on a woman...and they dont like it. Its ew.

Can you blame them? Look at it! If that thing crawled out of a spaceship you'd run for the hills!

 

[Estro Felino]

I see your point.

I think what is being missed is that a lot of gay guys have vagina phobia..because its a vagina...on a woman...and they dont like it. Its ew. Much like some women fear penis...because...well..hello!

I totally agree. That's why lots of gay men don't mind kissing women on their mouth...whereas they are afraid of penetrating them.
By the way the exact name is eurotophobia

 

[Drolefille]

The problem with most of these people is they seem not have actually taken the time to learn the teachings and philosophy of the Church. They seem to just have inherited mores about sexuality and behaviour from the contemporary cultural zeitgeist and applied these to Church teachings they only seem to know in passing.

When was the last time such cafeteria Catholics actually seriously addressed the writings of the Fathers or the Angelic Doctor on Natural Law teaching of these issues?

It doesn't matter. I'm not stating whether those Catholics are "right" or "wrong" or whatever, I'm describing the current state of affairs.

Personally as a former Catholic and one who has read plenty about it, I don't much care one way or the other.

I totally agree. That's why lots of gay men don't mind kissing women on their mouth...whereas they are afraid of penetrating them.
I think that they find a male anus more reassuring.
By the way the exact name is eurotophobia
I would tell them: if you feel the urge to stick your penis into a hole, go for women. Men don't have vaginas. What you think is a vagina, it isn't.

What is this even.

 

[Estro Felino]

It seems to me that if anything gay couples are more likely to be careful about giving children access to good role models. You should not presume so much about them.

The problem would be solved if all states gave the right to adopt to individuals, that is, celibate people.
If a person is gay, they have to right to adopt all the children they want.
But I don't understand why a gay couple should be considered as if they were two parents. It is not something logical. Because parenthood by definition, implies a man and a woman. Not two men.
When there isn't this kind of couple, there is just celibacy. Individuals. Individuals who deserve the right to adopt.
It doesn't matter whether they are gay, straight, single or not single.

two gay people are not a parental couple.

 

[LuisDantas]

But I don't understand why a gay couple should be considered as if they were two parents. It is not something logical.

Why, of course it is. Parenthood is defined by adoption, not by biological conception.

Because parenthood by definition, implies a man and a woman. Not two men.

Not by any definition that I choose to lend importance to, no it does not.

When there isn't this kind of couple, there is just celibacy.

Celibacy? How does it enter this picture?

Individuals. Individuals who deserve the right to adopt.
It doesn't matter whether they are gay, straight, single or not single.

I just disagree on the fact that the law should state that two gay people are a parental couple.

Law should acknowledge the facts, shouldn't it?

 

[Estro Felino]

Why, of course it is. Parenthood is defined by adoption, not by biological conception.
Law should acknowledge the facts, shouldn't it?

Law acknowledges that a straight couple can be a parental couple, because it deals with a potential mother and a potential father.

the word father (or mother) is incompatible with the gay world.
Outside the straight couple there are just individuals. And individuals can be adoptive parents: a celibate person is a parent. Neither a mother nor a father.
I don't understand why it would bother people.
If a gay person wants to adopt a child, they can do it. And they can raise this child with their own partner.

But this partner is a third who has nothing to do with the adoption. It's just the partner of the adopting person.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

I totally agree. That's why lots of gay men don't mind kissing women on their mouth...whereas they are afraid of penetrating them.
By the way the exact name is eurotophobia

Uh yeah. Just like two dudes will kiss on a dare but won't do oral. Weird huh?

I think we all get it by now. You think women are necessary because otherwise you'd be considered expendable. Guess what? Gay marriage works. Gay adoption works. Gay families work. All without a mother.

 

[HeatherAnn]

Uh yeah. Just like two dudes will kiss on a dare but won't do oral. Weird huh?

I think we all get it by now. You think women are necessary because otherwise you'd be considered expendable. Guess what? Gay marriage works. Gay adoption works. Gay families work. All without a mother.

Gjallarhorn,
How do you think you came to exist - by just your dad?

 

[Wirey]

Gjallarhorn,
How do you think you came to exist - by just your dad?

Yes. His mom was morally opposed to the whole thing!

Sorry, buddy, but I hadta!

 

[Gjallarhorn]

Gjallarhorn,
How do you think you came to exist - by just your dad?

I've been told I hatched from an egg. The universe came into being shortly after.

 

[McBell]

You cannot separate motherhood from parenthood.

Make up your mind.

I asked on the first page of this thread how you separate parents from parenthood.

How exactly does the loss of a mother or father fit in?

 

[LuisDantas]

Law acknowledges that a straight couple can be a parental couple, because it deals with a potential mother and a potential father.

Uh, so? Law used to acknowledge that "whites" could own people.

What law acknowledges, what is true, and what is fair are three entirely different things.

the word father (or mother) is incompatible with the gay world.

Whiskey-Tango-Foxtrot?!?

Surely you jest.

Outside the straight couple there are just individuals. And individuals can be adoptive parents: a celibate person is a parent. Neither a mother nor a father.

Have you... ever met a real family?

I don't understand why it would bother people.
If a gay person wants to adopt a child, they can do it. And they can raise this child with their own partner.

But this partner is a third who has nothing to do with the adoption. It's just the partner of the adopting person.

This is in very poor taste, I hope you realize.

 

[Drolefille]

I believe that Hay is presuming that celibate people are single and that all single people are celibate. Which is strange and inaccurate, but this appears to be the trend.