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[Marisa]

Cause this is who i am. You asked me if i have any kids. No i don't but i also been through stuff like your friend been through. I have always been the type of person that uses my own experience as a way to show what i been through. Jo is a close friend of mine and you can ask her we have known each other for years and i have always been this way. I wear my Faith on my sleeve. It definds me and so does my Realtionship with Christ.

Okay. Your faith defines you to yourself, but it does not define you to me. I'm never going to think you're a good person because of your faith, I'm always going to think you're a good person despite your faith. If that means that you and I can't get along, I can live with that.

 

[BenTheBeliever]

That's all well and good for you, but can you perhaps understand why someone who doesn't share your faith might find your attitude to people's misfortune somewhat insulting, patronizing or, at worst, actually harmful? What would you say to the people I met whose children, a pair of twins only a couple of weeks old, were both diagnosed with leukaemia? What is God's plan there, exactly?

I let them know it is not the end of the world. i am a strong believer in handicap rights. my mom raised me around handicap people. she took care of handicap people for 30 years. plus being in the MR classes in school. just cause a person has a sickness does not mean it is the end of the world. God's plan is shown in different ways in our lifes. I known a guy who was sick and in a wheelchair his whole life. my mom worked with him when i was 10 years old. He died at 26 years old. I was a Junior in HS. He wanted to be married real bad and guess what? Never once did he blame God for his sickness. Instead he embraced his life. This was the life he was giving. He got tired one day and asked his worker to help him into bed and peaceful went in his sleep. Over 500 people showed up at his funeral. He did not always get to go to church but his face light up when he did. He loved God so much. If someone like him can embrace their life like that then others can as well. It is so easy to blame God for the bad stuff and then praise him for the good stuff. I learned to praise him no matter what cause as much as the bad stuff might happen there is always a bigger picture going on.

 

[BenTheBeliever]

Okay. Your faith defines you to yourself, but it does not define you to me. I'm never going to think you're a good person because of your faith, I'm always going to think you're a good person despite your faith. If that means that you and I can't get along, I can live with that.

I can tell we won't get along. My idenity is in Christ. And no i am not a good person. Being good is a fable. i have broken promises to God. i have hurt people i love. i am a sinner saved by the grace of God.

 

[Marisa]

I let them know it is not the end of the world. i am a strong believer in handicap rights. my mom raised me around handicap people. she took care of handicap people for 30 years. plus being in the MR classes in school. just cause a person has a sickness does not mean it is the end of the world. God's plan is shown in different ways in our lifes. I known a guy who was sick and in a wheelchair his whole life. my mom worked with him when i was 10 years old. He died at 26 years old. I was a Junior in HS. He wanted to be married real bad and guess what? Never once did he blame God for his sickness. Instead he embraced his life. This was the life he was giving. He got tired one day and asked his worker to help him into bed and peaceful went in his sleep. Over 500 people showed up at his funeral. He did not always get to go to church but his face light up when he did. He loved God so much. If someone like him can embrace their life like that then others can as well. It is so easy to blame God for the bad stuff and then praise him for the good stuff. I learned to praise him no matter what cause as much as the bad stuff might happen there is always a bigger picture going on.

And some of us find it utterly revolting that this "bigger picture" involves babies with leukemia.

 

[Marisa]

I can tell we won't get along. My idenity is in Christ. And no i am not a good person. Being good is a fable. i have broken promises to God. i have hurt people i love. i am a sinner saved by the grace of God.

Well, if you can't value yourself how can you expect others to value you?

 

[BenTheBeliever]

And some of us find it utterly revolting that this "bigger picture" involves babies with leukemia.

We live in a fallen world. We can ether be pissed off or we can embrace this one life. God tells us we are not promised an easy life. Jesus did not have an easy life at all. But if he can over come so can we

 

[BenTheBeliever]

Well, if you can't value yourself how can you expect others to value you?

Who says i don't value myself? I know i do. I just know also that i need the grace of God. If that does not look like i vaule myself then i guess in your eyes i don't. But at the end of the day what you say or think don't matter cause we just met. What does matter is what God thinks of me. And how i can better myself in God.

 

[Marisa]

We live in a fallen world. We can ether be pissed off or we can embrace this one life. God tells us we are not promised an easy life. Jesus did not have an easy life at all. But if he can over come so can we

That's vacuous, but if it gives you comfort then booya.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

I let them know it is not the end of the world. i am a strong believer in handicap rights. my mom raised me around handicap people. she took care of handicap people for 30 years. plus being in the MR classes in school. just cause a person has a sickness does not mean it is the end of the world.

Leukemia isn't a disability, it is a form of cancer.

God's plan is shown in different ways in our lifes.

So what is God's plan? Why does it involve giving two children leukemia?

I known a guy who was sick and in a wheelchair his whole life. my mom worked with him when i was 10 years old. He died at 26 years old. I was a Junior in HS. He wanted to be married real bad and guess what? Never once did he blame God for his sickness.

As well he shouldn't, because there's no reason to assume God is to blame - unless God exists.

Instead he embraced his life. This was the life he was giving. He got tired one day and asked his worker to help him into bed and peaceful went in his sleep. Over 500 people showed up at his funeral. He did not always get to go to church but his face light up when he did. He loved God so much. If someone like him can embrace their life like that then others can as well. It is so easy to blame God for the bad stuff and then praise him for the good stuff. I learned to praise him no matter what cause as much as the bad stuff might happen there is always a bigger picture going on.

You haven't actually answered my question. What is the bigger picture here? Why does it require two infants contracting leukemia?

 

[Marisa]

Who says i don't value myself? . . .

You did.

. . . And no i am not a good person. Being good is a fable. i have broken promises to God. i have hurt people i love. . . .

 

[BenTheBeliever]

Leukemia isn't a disability, it is a form of cancer.


So what is God's plan? Why does it involve giving two children leukemia?


As well he shouldn't, because there's no reason to assume God is to blame - unless God exists.


You haven't actually answered my question. What is the bigger picture here? Why does it require two infants contracting leukemia?

Maybe God wants to use what happen to them to inspire their mom and dad to do helps others who go through the same thing. I am never going to blame God for dieases and death. Life happens. i chose instead to embrace life no matter what happens and give God my all cause i know he will always carry me through cause he has done it over and over again.

 

[BenTheBeliever]

You did.

That still does not mean i don't value myself. It means i have learned to be humble and admit my faults and admit that i need grace. Big differences there

 

[Marisa]

Maybe God wants to use what happen to them to inspire their mom and dad to do helps others who go through the same thing. I am never going to blame God for dieases and death. Life happens. i chose instead to embrace life no matter what happens and give God my all cause i know he will always carry me through cause he has done it over and over again.

You may never truly understand just how offensive what you just said is. What lesson does my friend need to learn that god could only teach her though her dead baby? That is the most disgusting and vile thing you could say. It's a pathetic apologetic for an impotent god.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Maybe God wants to use what happen to them to inspire their mom and dad to do helps others who go through the same thing.

Couldn't God have found some way to do that that didn't involve the slow and agonizing deaths of two infants and the incredible amount of grief their parents would have to go through having senselessly lost both of their children to a condition that is extremely rare in infants?

I am never going to blame God for dieases and death.

Why not? God created them.

Life happens. i chose instead to embrace life no matter what happens and give God my all cause i know he will always carry me through cause he has done it over and over again.

But you can give life your all with or without God. Any moment spent in deference to a supposed God is a moment of life utterly wasted.

 

[Marisa]

That still does not mean i don't value myself. It means i have learned to be humble and admit my faults and admit that i need grace. Big differences there

Yes, it kind of does. Those were your words describing yourself.

 

[viole]

Who says we don't focus on the bad? I really wanna know who because God says we are going to deal with some b.s. and life will be hard but to have faith. I know someone who had three miscarriages but she's as happy as can be today. Why did He do it to her? That's between her and God. Did she keep her faith and pull through? You bet.

Why did He do it to her? Probably because God is not pro-life, it seems.

Ciao

- viole

 

[BenTheBeliever]

You may never truly understand just how offensive what you just said is. What lesson does my friend need to learn that god could only teach her though her dead baby? That is the most disgusting and vile thing you could say. It's a pathetic apologetic for an impotent god.

Then i guess in those like yourself then i am disgusting. i will never be ashamed to share the love of Christ and let people know that God will be there for them when they go through things like that.

 

[Marisa]

Then i guess in those like yourself then i am disgusting. i will never be ashamed to share the love of Christ and let people know that God will be there for them when they go through things like that.

Yes, god will kill your baby to teach you to love him. I thought you were a decent person. Now I'm not so sure.

 

[BenTheBeliever]

Yes, it kind of does. Those were your words describing yourself.

whatever floats that boat of yours

 

[Marisa]

whatever floats that boat of yours

Again, not my words. Yours. About yourself. Keep punishing me for something I didn't say.