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[izzy4games12]

I haven't made any claims of fact. What I've done is ridicule you for ridiculing someone else over who's imaginary friend is really real. You go ahead and show all the reasons why Thor isn't real, and never once pause to realize that the same reasons you reject Thor are why I reject both of your gods.

Using this Thor as an example, all that he would be able to offer in terms of a literature, or set of rules, or lifestyle would simply be another corrupting doctrine. Following the commandments wouldn't bring a spiritual fulfillment simply because there is no substance. No hidden positive life changing energy that is going to come from following Odin or Thor or whatever.

You might've heard this a million times, but The Living Word isn't called that for no reason. It actually has a substance, a transforming effect that can be observed in the personal life of someone that follows Christ and reads the Word. Might seem unrealistic but all I can say is until one has treaded those grounds, it's very hard to be given an explanation as to what it means for the Word to be transforming. It's just natural in a sense.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Using this Thor as an example, all that he would be able to offer in terms of a literature, or set of rules, or lifestyle would simply be another corrupting doctrine. Following the commandments wouldn't bring a spiritual fulfillment simply because there is no substance. No hidden positive life changing energy that is going to come from following Odin or Thor or whatever.

That's pretty much how I'd view Christianity too. I think that's what @Marisa is trying to explain to you. The differences in Christianity are mundane in nature, in our view, not supernatural. The way you think about Thor is how we think about Christianity, broadly speaking.

 

[izzy4games12]

That's pretty much how I'd view Christianity too. I think that's what @Marisa is trying to explain to you. The differences in Christianity are mundane in nature, in our view, not supernatural. The way you think about Thor is how we think about Christianity, broadly speaking.

I see what you're saying and I suppose there's no point arguing since it's just making an unnecessary negative energy. At least on my side. Last thing I've got is one of Gods promises:
//"Matthew 7:7 “Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you"//.
People can argue in all kinds of theologies and reasons as to who is right and wrong and why and all of that. But once someone verbally asks... Stuff will come to light that one might've not known was even in the dark. And I mean that in a literal sense. Peace.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

People just don't grasp the facts of Christianity. It's simply a "religion" based on the book God gave the people. The real substance comes from that Book and from having a relationship from God, not from following rules.

It's the content of that book that many of us have a problem with; slavery, genocide, misogyny, rape, cruelty, brutality - to many of us such things stick out like a sore thumb and things we do not condone, let alone having the desire to worship an entity that does.

Are you saying you believe in Thor lol

Do you not realize that is equally applicable to your own religion? Personally, I think believing in anything beyond your own ignorance is laughable, but you don't see me going around and saying "you believe in Jehova, lol."

//"Matthew 7:7 “Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you"//.

I asked God - desperately pleaded - for peace of mind. It was never given.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

I see what you're saying and I suppose there's no point arguing since it's just making an unnecessary negative energy. At least on my side. Last thing I've got is one of Gods promises:
//"Matthew 7:7 “Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you"//.
People can argue in all kinds of theologies and reasons as to who is right and wrong and why and all of that. But once someone verbally asks... Stuff will come to light that one might've not known was even in the dark. And I mean that in a literal sense. Peace.

Agree it's not worth arguing. Clearly, if someone has an honest belief in a particular religion, seeing it as 'just another religion' is somewhat nonsensical.

Equally for an atheist, seeing one in particular as special makes no sense.

Not really anything to argue, just worth remembering so we can best understand where others are coming from.

I would add that I dont see all religions as equal in terms of benefit and/or harm, but thats kinda a different point again.

 

[Riverwolf]

Believing in something doesn't make it true. Observable results are what keeps a theology going for a person. I wonder when the last time was that Thor helped someone in a time of need.

Not too long ago, actually. I needed some inner strength, so I bid Thunor (that's Thor's name in Old English) to give me some. He did.

 

[izzy4games12]

Not too long ago, actually. I needed some inner strength, so I bid Thunor (that's Thor's name in Old English) to give me some. He did.

Right

 

[Riverwolf]

Using this Thor as an example, all that he would be able to offer in terms of a literature, or set of rules, or lifestyle would simply be another corrupting doctrine. Following the commandments wouldn't bring a spiritual fulfillment simply because there is no substance. No hidden positive life changing energy that is going to come from following Odin or Thor or whatever.

See, this demonstrates a SEVERE misunderstanding of the Old Way. You can't look at it with Christianity as your baseline, because they're simply not comparable.

We have no Sacred Books.
We have no "rules".
We have no dogma.
We have no doctrine.
We have no commandments.

I've been following the Ese for about 3-ish years now, and my life has absolutely changed for the better, in complete contradiction to your claim that it won't happen.

In other words, I've very much had these "observable results" that you speak of.

 

[JoStories]

He's not calling a mere person an abomination, but instead referring to certain acts that humans willingly choose to do. God didn't make all of these "rules" to limit our potential and wants on Earth. He made them as a guideline in which He promises the best in return for people who actually listen to Him. I'm more than certain that being a gay person doesn't cause God to think of the person as worthless because He did indeed make us, but the actions that go against God do upset him in a more saddening way over an over reactive angry father kind of way.

You are basing your understanding of what God wants on a book and nothing more. I don't believe that that book came from God but from men. Unless you have definitive proof that God wrote that book, you cannot tell me otherwise. God created me as a bisexual woman. God did that, IMO. You cannot prove to me that it is not true. No actions I may participate in go against God. You think that God would condemn me for being who I am. I do not for one second believe that. Not today, not ever.

 

[JoStories]

Believing in something doesn't make it true. Observable results are what keeps a theology going for a person. I wonder when the last time was that Thor helped someone in a time of need.

How do you know Thor didn't help someone? Can you prove to me that Thor didn't? No. How do you know that God doesn't have other faces that God uses to appeal to others?

 

[JoStories]

Using this Thor as an example, all that he would be able to offer in terms of a literature, or set of rules, or lifestyle would simply be another corrupting doctrine. Following the commandments wouldn't bring a spiritual fulfillment simply because there is no substance. No hidden positive life changing energy that is going to come from following Odin or Thor or whatever.

You might've heard this a million times, but The Living Word isn't called that for no reason. It actually has a substance, a transforming effect that can be observed in the personal life of someone that follows Christ and reads the Word. Might seem unrealistic but all I can say is until one has treaded those grounds, it's very hard to be given an explanation as to what it means for the Word to be transforming. It's just natural in a sense.

So is the Buddhist path that I follow. You have no exclusive rights to what is considered to be of God or God manifesting in a persons life. You state that there is no life changing energy from Thor or Odin. How do you know that? In a word, you don't. this "Living Word" is only living because you believe it to be so. I believe that The Buddha spoke "The Living Word". Can you prove me wrong? No, you can't. The Buddha and my path has had a transforming effect in my life. Just as yours. If you try to see outside of the blinders you have on, you might just see this from someone else's POV.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Right

Lucifer changed my life, and for the better. I'm less depressed and more happy, I learned to take action and do things myself rather than asking for God's permission and help, my artistic abilities have increased significantly, and I've become much less bitter, angry, and hateful. It's rather ironic really, because when I was a Christian, all in the name of God and his Word, I was a judgemental prick.

 

[Marisa]

Right

Prove that @Riverwolf is full of beans, while never bothering to recognize that Riverwolf can use the same reasons to prove your full of beans, and the two of you can get together and use those same reasons to prove he ancient Greeks were full of beans. Basically what you're demanding is that Riverwolf believe your god speaks to you, while telling Riverwolf it's patently ridiculous that gods speak to people. And you have zero clue as to how you sound outside your well-insulated bubble. Do try to grasp this: whatever rationale you use to find Riverwolf's belief lunacy is the exact same rationale I'm using to find your belief lunacy. Your belief is no less ridiculous to me because you believe it than Riverwolf's is to you because he/she believes it.

 

[izzy4games12]

See, this demonstrates a SEVERE misunderstanding of the Old Way. You can't look at it with Christianity as your baseline, because they're simply not comparable.

We have no Sacred Books.
We have no "rules".
We have no dogma.
We have no doctrine.
We have no commandments.

I've been following the Ese for about 3-ish years now, and my life has absolutely changed for the better, in complete contradiction to your claim that it won't happen.

In other words, I've very much had these "observable results" that you speak of.

Positive change? I'm sure
Boost in attitude? Sure
Supernatural relationship with anything more than a deceiving entity? Nope

 

[Marisa]

Positive change? I'm sure
Boost in attitude? Sure
Supernatural relationship with anything more than a deceiving entity? Nope

I'm sure you're belief in your god is positive to you, and boosts your attitude. Nonetheless, you maintain a supernatural relationship with a deceiving entity. I can say this because this entity requires that you completely change everything about who you are in order to please it, while simultaneously telling you he created you in his image. That, my friend, is what's known as a mixed message.

 

[izzy4games12]

You are basing your understanding of what God wants on a book and nothing more. I don't believe that that book came from God but from men. Unless you have definitive proof that God wrote that book, you cannot tell me otherwise. God created me as a bisexual woman. God did that, IMO. You cannot prove to me that it is not true. No actions I may participate in go against God. You think that God would condemn me for being who I am. I do not for one second believe that. Not today, not ever.

And why wouldn't you believe that God wouldn't condemn it? And if you don't believe in the Bible, then we're talking about different gods buddy

 

[izzy4games12]

How do you know Thor didn't help someone? Can you prove to me that Thor didn't? No. How do you know that God doesn't have other faces that God uses to appeal to others?

Because God warns against false idols, gods, doctrines, prophets. If Thor isn't in any way correlated to God then It's an obvious answer?

 

[izzy4games12]

So is the Buddhist path that I follow. You have no exclusive rights to what is considered to be of God or God manifesting in a persons life. You state that there is no life changing energy from Thor or Odin. How do you know that? In a word, you don't. this "Living Word" is only living because you believe it to be so. I believe that The Buddha spoke "The Living Word". Can you prove me wrong? No, you can't. The Buddha and my path has had a transforming effect in my life. Just as yours. If you try to see outside of the blinders you have on, you might just see this from someone else's POV.

Ha you don't get it. I dabbled with all of this Buddha stuff, even got into Easyern mysticism. Began practicing and meditating to balance my chakras and began to use my intuition towards something of a fortune teller. I could sense things like feelings and auras around me and felt like a real magician. Then I realized I was under a demonic attack. Depression flew in, insomnia, I had voices in my head(Dissociative Identity Disorder), and it really progressed.
Then something physically attacked me and that's where I cut that crap out. No "Thor" was going to take that spirit away from me whether in 1 year or 10, and j would've been a fool for trying. Look up spiritual warfare dude.

I'm not speaking about this because mom and pops taught me about it. It's experience. Buddhism might bring a positive change and I can agree and its peaceful. But this God of mine is a literal supernatural being with supernatural change up his sleeve.

 

[izzy4games12]

Lucifer changed my life, and for the better. I'm less depressed and more happy, I learned to take action and do things myself rather than asking for God's permission and help, my artistic abilities have increased significantly, and I've become much less bitter, angry, and hateful. It's rather ironic really, because when I was a Christian, all in the name of God and his Word, I was a judgemental prick.

Honestly if you're happy with Lucifer here then you'll be ecstatic with him at his home. Idk what else to say to you lmao.

 

[izzy4games12]

Prove that @Riverwolf is full of beans, while never bothering to recognize that Riverwolf can use the same reasons to prove your full of beans, and the two of you can get together and use those same reasons to prove he ancient Greeks were full of beans. Basically what you're demanding is that Riverwolf believe your god speaks to you, while telling Riverwolf it's patently ridiculous that gods speak to people. And you have zero clue as to how you sound outside your well-insulated bubble. Do try to grasp this: whatever rationale you use to find Riverwolf's belief lunacy is the exact same rationale I'm using to find your belief lunacy. Your belief is no less ridiculous to me because you believe it than Riverwolf's is to you because he/she believes it.

I'm not wasting my time trying to prove it when I don't have much to throw at you except the changes in myself and other people's lives. You just won't get it until you try, but I guess stubbornness is gonna hold you back so that's rely not my issue. Faith man, faith.