Gaza: Comparing Egypt's blockade to Israel's?

[CMike]

Damn, you just can't resist being a jerk, can you?

I am genuinely happy to hear Israel is caring for some of the children who were injured. Believe it or not my views sincerely motivated by concern for civilian children and not anti-semitism.

I find that hard to believe.

You continously don't even consider that Hamas stated in videos that they use their own people as human shields.

Your views are based on lies and distortions.

 

[metis]

Damn, you just can't resist being a jerk, can you?

Oh, and you have just been so nice and considerate on these threads.

But I agree that I shouldn't act the part of a jerk regardless what you might post, so I do apologize.

 

[CMike]

Oh, and you have just been so nice and considerate on these threads, but I'm sure that's my fault too, right?

Pot, meet Kettle.

Anyone whom disagrees with her is a racist and a bigot.

She also ignores all evidence presented if it collides with her misguided opinions.

 

[YmirGF]

Anyone whom disagrees with her is a racist and a bigot.

She also ignores all evidence presented if it collides with her misguided opinions.

But, Alceste is a progressive. There is no possibility that her opinions are misguided.

 

[CMike]

But, Alceste is a progressive. There is no possibility that her opinions are misguided.

Definetly not.

It's amazing how they just ignore all the evidence.

You would think a government that gives women no rights and which kills anyone that opposes them would be on the bad side of progressives.

However to them they are the heroes.

Go figure

 

[InChrist]

I think time and time again Israel proves that it values human life and the desire to do the right thing in the midst of very difficult daily circumstances.

Israel continues caring for Gaza patients

While Hamas attacks from Gaza put half of Israel under threat, Palestinian Arabs and Gaza residents continue to receive medical treatment in Israeli hospitals.

Read article:
Israel continues caring for Gaza patients | ISRAEL21c

 

[metis]

I think time and time again Israel proves that it values human life and the desire to do the right thing in the midst of very difficult daily circumstances.

Israel continues caring for Gaza patients

While Hamas attacks from Gaza put half of Israel under threat, Palestinian Arabs and Gaza residents continue to receive medical treatment in Israeli hospitals.

Read article:
Israel continues caring for Gaza patients | ISRAEL21c

Thank you for posting this.

 

[YmirGF]

Thank you for posting this.

Pffft. More IDF propaganda. You know they would rather be out gunning down children in Gaza.

Seriously though, this reminds me of the story about a Palestinian woman who was treated in an Israeli hospital for something serious and once she had recovered, got a bomb strapped to herself and attempted to cross the checkpoint to go back to the hospital. If anyone can make sense out of that case, I'd love to hear it.

 

[metis]

Pffft. More IDF propaganda. You know they would rather be out gunning down children in Gaza.

I hear ya.

BTW, I wonder what some like Alceste would advocate if their own country was being bombarded by over 7000 missiles/rockets in just several weeks, aimed against her and her children, along with others? My guess is that her "progressive" stance would change in a hurry. As a friend of mine was fond of saying, "it all boils down to whose ox is getting gored".

 

[Alceste]

But, Alceste is a progressive. There is no possibility that her opinions are misguided.

Oh, I can be wrong as hell. No mistake. But there's no possibility I am a raging antisemite. I know this because one can empirically measure such things. Google implicit association test. Copy / paste isn't working for me.

 

[Alceste]

I hear ya.

BTW, I wonder what some like Alceste would advocate if their own country was being bombarded by over 7000 missiles/rockets in just several weeks, aimed against her and her children, along with others? My guess is that her "progressive" stance would change in a hurry. As a friend of mine was fond of saying, "it all boils down to whose ox is getting gored".

If none of those bombs were actually hitting their targets or causing casualties in Canada, I certainly wouldn't support blowing up 50 or 60 civilians for every terrorist killed or captured, and flattening civilian infrastructure. Because it is an insane and ineffective strategy.

 

[CMike]

Oh, I can be wrong as hell. No mistake. But there's no possibility I am a raging antisemite. I know this because one can empirically measure such things. Google implicit association test. Copy / paste isn't working for me.

Yet, you completely ignore muslim and arabic leaders whom say that arab men should rape Israeli women, and that men can have sex with women anytime and anywhere you want.

The only thing you can focus on is your maniacal hatred for the one jewish state.

Why?

 

[CMike]

If none of those bombs were actually hitting their targets or causing casualties in Canada, I certainly wouldn't support blowing up 50 or 60 civilians for every terrorist killed or captured, and flattening civilian infrastructure. Because it is an insane and ineffective strategy.

Yeah...I am sure you would be totally cool with you and your children running for a bomb shelter several times a day.

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It's rediculous they have to go through this.

 

[metis]

If none of those bombs were actually hitting their targets or causing casualties in Canada, I certainly wouldn't support blowing up 50 or 60 civilians for every terrorist killed or captured, and flattening civilian infrastructure. Because it is an insane and ineffective strategy.

Will you kindly name one country in any war that has some sort of quota whereas the number of their own killed by war must somehow match the numbers of enemy killed? Or, let's take it to another level, and can you name one war whereas the number of casualties is roughly around 2000?

I feel even one death is tragic, but the unfortunate reality is that no country uses a quota, and the number of Palestinians killed is actually far lower than the norm in war.

But let me tell you how Israel could have responded, which would be typical of how most countries would likely have responded: while responding to 7000 missiles/rockets launched against Israeli civilians, Israel just does the same by launching let's say 7000 unguided rockets and mortars into Gaza. This is a typical response that probably most countries would use, and this is exactly what Hamas has been doing. What do you think the body count would then be like?

Or let me offer another scenario: let's say that it is Israelis that occupy Gaza, and Hamas, being much superior in power, is responding to missiles coming from Israelis, what do you think Hamas' response would be? Go ahead, take a guess.

 

[RitalinOhD]

Also, they and Iran are the two largest financiers and weapons suppliers to Hamas.

Stay safe and please keep us posted, if you can.

BTW, I haven't brought it up on any of these threads except for a private Jewish one, but my 16 year old granddaughter had to leave Israel with her group on an emergency basis a few weeks ago as one of the missiles from Gaza hit less than a mile from where they were staying in Eilat. They had to get into bomb-shelters a couple of times before this, but that last one was the last straw, so the decision was made to wait for a lull, and then quickly sent them north to fly out immediately. It cost our local Jewish Federation $150,000 to arrange for that emergency flight, but at least they got out safely.

However, I feel very sorry for the Palestinian kids who can't get out, which is a big disappointment also in the sense that Egypt won't take them in even as temporary refugees.

Take care and shalom.

Thanks. And I'm glad to hear your granddaughter made it out safely.

 

[metis]

Thanks. And I'm glad to hear your granddaughter made it out safely.

And thank you, and I really do appreciate your input here.

 

[RitalinOhD]

And thank you, and I really do appreciate your input here.

Well, I really try to be impartial with what I contribute. Unfortunately, I'm not nearly as informed as I would like to be on this part of the world and their problems. I get a lot of value from these discussions, as it's more interesting than reading wiki page after wiki page trying to learn.

I know it seemed for a while that I was teaming up with Alceste, but I try to avoid giving that impression. I agreed with a lot of what she has said and I truly don't believe her to be anti-semetic. It's just been a very emotional discussion, and sometimes things can be taken out of context. But on the flip side, I've gotten just as much value from you and jayhawker and sincerely appreciate the dialog. You all are quite intelligent. But enough of the schmoozing.

Very entertaining discussion so far, and I'm thoroughly enjoying it.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I am genuinely happy to hear Israel is caring for some of the children who were injured. Believe it or not my views sincerely motivated by concern for civilian children and not anti-semitism.

For the record: as furious as I get with you at times, I fully believe the above to be true.

 

[CMike]

I am not so sure. She doesn't seem to care about the terrorized Israeli children who have to run for bunkers several times a day.

 

[Alceste]

For the record: as furious as I get with you at times, I fully believe the above to be true.

You have no idea what a relief it is to hear you say that.

For the others who perceive hatred of Jews here where nothing but love of innocent human children resides, I'm happy to weather these accusations, but when you go there it actually kind of stings.