Gaza: Comparing Egypt's blockade to Israel's?

[Saint Frankenstein]

This is the type of example I am talking about. Aid directed to outside organizations. However there is foreign aid going to the government itself. This is what I would like to see stopped and redirected to group(s) as you have mentioned. No aid to the government itself, not one dollar filters through the government. As I said at the beginning of my post the USA has damned itself by openly expressing what type of fund and the direction of funding. It is not the same or equal. However again I am just pointing out that both sides, 3 with the PA, receive funding which is directed to the government not an aid group. Israel is by far more prone to this type of exchange by open aid.

I would like to see open involvement in this aging conflict by nations which provide foreign aid, no just the cheques these nations write. As is these nations are helping the systems which fund factions which keep this conflict alive. By funding Israeli and the IDF we are funding their war crimes. By funding Gaza and the PA we are providing legitimacy to organization which have no to little without legitimacy foreign aid.

Ah, I see what you're saying now and I can agree with that. I think we need to stop all military aid and only provide humanitarian aid to disadvantaged groups and areas - and that goes for all countries we send aid to. Israel doesn't seem to be disadvantaged so they really don't need any aid. The Palestinians should be getting $3 billion a year for aid purposes since they are living in abject poverty. No more funding the Israeli war machine is what I'd like to see. No money to Hamas, either. Just help the people themselves.

 

[CMike]

More pin point strikes..

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[icehorse]

Every day I lean more and more towards thinking that the UN is more detrimental than it is useful.

 

[CMike]

The EU gives much more aid to the Palestinians than the US does. Not to mention Japan and England.

The amount of money the US gives to Palestine for military purposes is exactly zero dollars. They also do whats possible to make sure it's not being funneled into terrorist activities. Of course it's impossible to ensure it doesn't happen.

Would you rather no one give aid to Palestine, for fear they may not use it for its intended purposes?

That is inaccurate. Obama gave $100 million to gaza and wants to give $47 million more.

None of these will go for the people's welfare.

It will go to rearm Hamas.

 

[icehorse]

Survivors of massacre in Khuza'a say Israeli forces using Palestinians as human shields
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.530993
Israel used Palestinian minors as human shields, detain and torture - UN ? RT News
Israel-Gaza conflict: The myth of Hamas

Remember, to qualify as a "human shield" under international law, the victim's movements must be under the forcible control of the combatant who is using them. By that definition, simply launching rockets from urban environments is not a violation of this law.

(Please take a moment to observe that none of my links are to Facebook or Youtube. That's how this is done.)

Hi Alceste,

I read these four links. Some of the agencies might be reasonable (although RT at least seems dubious), but none of these articles are more than cherry-picking. It's clear to me when it comes to this long-standing conflict, that virtually ALL reporting is heavily slanted and cherry-picked.

Do I agree that you can find instances of IDF abuses - absolutely, but that doesn't constitute proof of an overall M.O.

 

[CMike]

I wouldn't even say that they are cherry picking.

They are totally baseless accusations.

 

[Alceste]

Hi Alceste,

I read these four links. Some of the agencies might be reasonable (although RT at least seems dubious), but none of these articles are more than cherry-picking. It's clear to me when it comes to this long-standing conflict, that virtually ALL reporting is heavily slanted and cherry-picked.

Do I agree that you can find instances of IDF abuses - absolutely, but that doesn't constitute proof of an overall M.O.

I think anecdotal evidence is the word you are looking for. Cherry picking is something else.

Regardless, the claim was that there is evidence of the IDF using civilians as human shields. I consider that claim adequately backed by these links.

I haven't found evidence of Hamas using human shields (by which I mean the standard definition under international law, not Israel's unique definition).If you can find some I'll be happy to look at it.

 

[RitalinOhD]

No more funding the Israeli war machine is what I'd like to see. No money to Hamas, either. Just help the people themselves.

Israel could continue military operations as is without any military aid from the US. The US stopping aid would do very little, if anything.

And no money is given to Hamas by any western country. Whether aid given is funneled to them is a different story. If anyone should be criticized publicly, its Qatar, as they are Hamas's largest financial contributor.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

If anyone should be criticized publicly, its Qatar, as they are Hamas's largest financial contributor.

And it is Qatar who had reportedly threatened Mashal with expulsion if he bows to Egypt.

 

[Godobeyer]

More pin point strikes..

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since that you are fan searching and paste youtube videos .in RF, why you did not comment on my youtube videos thread called (Israel VS Israel ) ?
is not "SKIP" is the only solution available sometimes ?

 

[CMike]

I think anecdotal evidence is the word you are looking for. Cherry picking is something else.

Regardless, the claim was that there is evidence of the IDF using civilians as human shields. I consider that claim adequately backed by these links.

I haven't found evidence of Hamas using human shields (by which I mean the standard definition under international law, not Israel's unique definition).If you can find some I'll be happy to look at it.

Baseless accusations are not evidence.

 

[RitalinOhD]

And it is Qatar who had reportedly threatened Mashal with expulsion if he bows to Egypt.

Qatar is extremely shady, and it really irritates me that the US supports them so much. I'm actually in Qatar as I write this, 5 months into another deployment. I also found out not too long ago that Qatar is the main HQ for Al Qaida types. Needless to say I don't go downtown very often.

 

[CMike]

Nice shooting

» MAJOR MAJOR NEWS OUT OF ISRAEL: Three Senior Hamas Commanders Killed in Pre-Dawn Airstrike…including Shalit kidnappers

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Qatar is extremely shady, and it really irritates me that the US supports them so much. I'm actually in Qatar as I write this, 5 months into another deployment. I also found out not too long ago that Qatar is the main HQ for Al Qaida types. Needless to say I don't go downtown very often.

Stay safe.

 

[RitalinOhD]

Stay safe.

Thanks

 

[metis]

Qatar is extremely shady, and it really irritates me that the US supports them so much. I'm actually in Qatar as I write this, 5 months into another deployment. I also found out not too long ago that Qatar is the main HQ for Al Qaida types. Needless to say I don't go downtown very often.

Also, they and Iran are the two largest financiers and weapons suppliers to Hamas.

Stay safe and please keep us posted, if you can.

BTW, I haven't brought it up on any of these threads except for a private Jewish one, but my 16 year old granddaughter had to leave Israel with her group on an emergency basis a few weeks ago as one of the missiles from Gaza hit less than a mile from where they were staying in Eilat. They had to get into bomb-shelters a couple of times before this, but that last one was the last straw, so the decision was made to wait for a lull, and then quickly sent them north to fly out immediately. It cost our local Jewish Federation $150,000 to arrange for that emergency flight, but at least they got out safely.

However, I feel very sorry for the Palestinian kids who can't get out, which is a big disappointment also in the sense that Egypt won't take them in even as temporary refugees.

Take care and shalom.

 

[Alceste]

Also, they and Iran are the two largest financiers and weapons suppliers to Hamas.

Stay safe and please keep us posted, if you can.

BTW, I haven't brought it up on any of these threads except for a private Jewish one, but my 16 year old granddaughter had to leave Israel with her group on an emergency basis a few weeks ago as one of the missiles from Gaza hit less than a mile from where they were staying in Eilat. They had to get into bomb-shelters a couple of times before this, but that last one was the last straw, so the decision was made to wait for a lull, and then quickly sent them north to fly out immediately. It cost our local Jewish Federation $150,000 to arrange for that emergency flight, but at least they got out safely.

However, I feel very sorry for the Palestinian kids who can't get out, which is a big disappointment also in the sense that Egypt won't take them in even as temporary refugees.

Take care and shalom.

What about Israel. Is it taking in refugee children?

 

[metis]

What about Israel. Is it taking in refugee children?

Actually it has been with some of the kids who were injured early on with the first assault, and they were cared for medically. But of course that doesn't fit into some people's bigoted stereotypes of Israel, right Alceste?

 

[CMike]

What about Israel. Is it taking in refugee children?

Israel always takes in refugees.

It took in refugees from ethopia, russia, and other countries.

 

[Alceste]

Actually it has been with some of the kids who were injured early on with the first assault, and they were cared for medically. But of course that doesn't fit into some people's bigoted stereotypes of Israel, right Alceste?

Damn, you just can't resist being a jerk, can you?

I am genuinely happy to hear Israel is caring for some of the children who were injured. Believe it or not my views sincerely motivated by concern for civilian children and not anti-semitism.