Gaza was before the war the greatest open-air prison

[Mock Turtle]

Indeed it’s not logical, one thing we agree upon.

No logic involved. It was a question - you do know the difference?

It’s difficult to talk a person who believes this started at 7 October. This is just an effort to ignore facts and eliminate arguments to the cause of this conflict. Like I said before you live in a bubble..

So you are willing to ignore the consequences of actions - because such doesn't just fit your narrative of the events.

Just answer the bloody question! What did Hamas expect after such an attack?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Whit that kind of thinking Isreal brought 7 October to themselves since they created Hamas to oppose Arafat before it backfired?

Hamas was voted in by the Palestinians themselves where the PLO under Arafat went to the wayside.

 

[MayPeaceBeUpOnYou]

It started when the British divided the territories. Guess who initiated hostilities first?

According to

So you are willing to ignore the consequences of actions - because such doesn't just fit your narrative of the events

the same way you are ignoring facts before 7 October

 

[MayPeaceBeUpOnYou]

Hamas was voted in by the Palestinians themselves where the PLO under Arafat went to the waysid

I am talking before that. Was Hamas created and funded by the Zionist to oppose Arafat?

 

[Mock Turtle]

According to

the same way you are ignoring facts before 7 October

So no answer to the question. I'm hardly ignoring anything before October 7th and have no side in this dispute (being non-religious), but you are seemingly not putting any blame for what happened on Hamas - even when they did such an atrocious attack.

So, what did Hamas expect after they attacked in such a manner?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Hamas attacked Israel - forgot that did you?

Well, it goes back to European nationalism in the modern sense and then we are in 1800s. So that you simply cut off history as if there is no backstory is rather telling.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Well, it goes back to European nationalism in the modern sense and then we are in 1800s. So that you simply cut off history as if there is no backstory is rather telling.

Oh please! One can hardly ignore what has happened in the area, and I have witnessed this since the 1950s, but it's hardly simple as to Hamas just carrying on with this dispute that has existed for many decades and earlier - given that what did Hamas expect as a response after such an attack?

 

[MayPeaceBeUpOnYou]

So no answer to the question. I'm hardly ignoring anything before October 7th and have no side in this dispute (being non-religious), but you are seemingly not putting any blame for what happened on Hamas - even when they did such an atrocious attack.

Your quistion doesn’t make sense. If a person thinks isreal is just a honest and sweet landlord then obviously a person will think that isreal isn’t an oppressor.
The palastians have the right to fight back because they are treated like sub humans. Obviously I don’t agree with the killing of any innocent human being but we shouldn’t ignore the fact that isreal went from ‘mowing the lawn’ to leveling whole of gaze

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Oh please! One can hardly ignore what has happened in the area, and I have witnessed this since the 1950s, but it's hardly simple as to Hamas just carrying on with this dispute that has existed for many decades and earlier - given that what did Hamas expect as a response after such an attack?

Yeah, it goes back to at least the 1800s. If not further back.

Well if you can't win as such you get your enemy to lose allies. Then at later time you might have a chance. Ever consider that was part of the plan.

 

[Godobeyer]

They could always go to Egypt. Oh wait, Egypt dosent want them either.

Maybe explore reason why.

That's plan of Netanyaho.by made their live like prison,now he wiped them from that prison.
Why should they leave their land in first place ?
Should Ukraines leave their land to Russian ?
that's my explore the reason why

 

[Mock Turtle]

Your quistion doesn’t make sense. If a person thinks isreal is just a honest and sweet landlord then obviously a person will think that isreal isn’t an oppressor.
The palastians have the right to fight back because they are treated like sub humans. Obviously I don’t agree with the killing of any innocent human being but we shouldn’t ignore the fact that isreal went from ‘mowing the lawn’ to leveling whole of gaze

It doesn't matter what I think, but if Hamas didn't expect the carnage that has resulted then they are as evil as you seem to portray Israel as being - or simply the dumbest leadership on the planet.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

That's plan of Netanyaho.by made their live like prison,now he wiped them from that prison.
Why should they leave their land in first place ?
Should Ukraines leave their land to Russian ?
that's my explore the reason why

Well, we have been here before. It is a bit more complex than your version of history. And as long as you have chosen one side over another, we won't agree.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

It doesn't matter what I think, but if Hamas didn't expect the carnage that has resulted then they are as evil as you seem to portray Israel as being - or simply the dumbest leadership on the planet.

Well, I do think they expected this outcome. It is a way to fight if you are the underdog.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Yeah, it goes back to at least the 1800s. If not further back.

Such disputes seem endemic with religions, so I would place this a lot further back - being tied to lands or locations.

Well if you can't win as such you get your enemy to lose allies. Then at later time you might have a chance. Ever consider that was part of the plan.

Well Hamas will feel well satisfied then - apart from all the civilians that it has cost them. And no doubt they sleep well.

 

[Godobeyer]

If Hamas had surrendered right at the beginning - anticipating so many deaths (having the sense of course to do so) - then all these deaths could have been avoided - apart from not attacking Israel in the first place, which was their biggest mistake.

Hamas and Muslims don't have mentality of surrendered,such japan after ww2...etc
I am Algerian,Algeria pay big prices of deads 1.5 millions during revolution against France occupation.
So instead of telling Israel to stop their crimes and occupation, tell Hamas stop their resistance!
The idea when you get invaded by more powerful army , so you should resist or surrender and leave your country?

 

[Mock Turtle]

Well, I do think they expected this outcome. It is a way to fight if you are the underdog.

If so then they are as evil as Israel in my view, and Israel did have the right to retaliate after such an attack.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Hamas and Muslims don't have mentality of surrendered,such japan after ww2...etc
I am Algerian,Algeria pay big prices of deads 1.5 millions during revolution against France occupation.
So instead of telling Israel to stop their crimes and occupation, tell Hamas stop their resistance!
The idea when you get invaded by more powerful army , so you should resist or surrender and leave your country?

But surely they knew what would happen. And all the preparations - tunnels and such - were wasted and where the money could have been put to better use than building up arms caches. Let alone the loss of life to the civilians.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Such disputes seem endemic with religions, so I would place this a lot further back - being tied to lands or locations.

Well Hamas will feel well satisfied then - apart from all the civilians that it has cost them. And no doubt they sleep well.

For the first one it is all about the idea of nationalism.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

If so then they are as evil as Israel in my view, and Israel did have the right to retaliate after such an attack.

Yeah, but not the way Israel is doing it as far as I can tell.

 

[MayPeaceBeUpOnYou]

It doesn't matter what I think, but if Hamas didn't expect the carnage that has resulted then they are as evil as you seem to portray Israel as being - or simply the dumbest leadership on the planet.

Doesn’t matter if hamam expect it or not, killing of non combatants is always wrong.