Gender Apartheid

[ImmortalFlame]

Anyone who supports Hamas will get no respect from me.

What a concise way of completely avoiding literally anything Saint Frankenstein actually wrote.

 

[Maninthemiddle]

People that "come out in support of 'Palestine'" are against the genocide going on in Gaza.

Are you saying that the Gazan massacres are justified because of the negative traits of Islam? That's the implication I am reading from your post, so please correct me.

Is it "illogical" to be against bombing of civilians?

It has been the Palestinians that have called for the Genocide of Israel for years.
Now that Israel is forced to defend the offenders cry foul.

 

[Ignatius A]

What a concise way of completely avoiding literally anything Saint Frankenstein actually wrote.

All that matters is if you're a supporter of Hamas you don't deserve any respect. Hamas is a 4th century band if rabid dogs that have no place among decent human beings.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

All that matters is if you're a supporter of Hamas you don't deserve any respect. Hamas is a 4th century band if rabid dogs that have no place among decent human beings.

Good thing Saint Frankenstein didn't express any support for Hamas. Respond to the argument and stop engaging in non-sequiturs and strawmen.

 

[Ignatius A]

It has been the Palestinians that have called for the Genocide of Israel for years.
Now that Israel is forced to defend the offenders cry foul.

The total.destruction of Israel is their publicly stated goal.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

It has been the Palestinians that have called for the Genocide of Israel for years.

Conflating political or terrorist groups with a nationality of people broadly is explicit bigotry.

Do you believe civilians deserve to die because they - or people representing them - believe in immoral or even explicitly genocidal things? How does this work when you have current political leaders in Israel who are, themselves, pro-genocide of Palestinians? Does that mean that any violence committed against Israeli civilians is fine?

 

[Ignatius A]

Good thing Saint Frankenstein didn't express any support for Hamas. Respond to the argument and stop engaging in non-sequiturs and strawmen.

I don't care. This nonsense has gone on long enough. Hamas wants nothing but the complete annihilation of Israel. That should worry people but it doesn't.

 

[Ignatius A]

Conflating political or terrorist groups with a nationality of people broadly is explicit bigotry.

Do you believe civilians deserve to die because they - or people representing them - believe in immoral or even explicitly genocidal things? How does this work when you have current political leaders in Israel who are, themselves, pro-genocide of Palestinians? Does that mean that any violence committed against Israeli civilians is fine?

You realize most Palestinians support Hamas right?

 

[ImmortalFlame]

I don't care.

You're on a debate forum, and you don't care if you just ignore actual debate.

Good stuff.

This nonsense has gone on long enough. Hamas wants nothing but the complete annihilation of Israel. That should worry people but it doesn't.

Where did Saint Frankenstein endorse or defend Hamas? Show me.

BTW are you the RF police? You got to tell Daddy on me?!

Do you not know how forums work?

 

[Ignatius A]

Conflating political or terrorist groups with a nationality of people broadly is explicit bigotry.

Do you believe civilians deserve to die because they - or people representing them - believe in immoral or even explicitly genocidal things? How does this work when you have current political leaders in Israel who are, themselves, pro-genocide of Palestinians? Does that mean that any violence committed against Israeli civilians is fine?

You realize most Palestinians support Hamas right?

 

[ImmortalFlame]

You realize most Palestinians support Hamas right?

Do you believe, even if this were definitely true, that this justifies carrying out war crimes against Palestinian civilians?

 

[Ignatius A]

You're on a debate forum, and you don't care if you just ignore actual debate.

Good stuff.


Where did Saint Frankenstein endorse or defend Hamas? Show me.


Do you not know how forums work?

I know how they work. Now what? Are you required to reply to me? Have a forced you to read or respond to my posts? Yes or no will do

 

[icehorse]

You really think you're going to find somebody in this thread whos in favor of apartheid?

The unlikelihood of that ever happening makes your professed intentions for this thread even less believable.

What I think I HAVE seen in this thread has surprised me:

- posters pushing back against the Golden Rule (because "subjective morality" ?)
- posters blaming "the west" for barbaric cultures in other parts of the world

I have seen very little supporting the idea that fighting the horrific misogyny outlined in the OP should be one of everyone's top priorities.

As for your thinly veiled suggestions that I'm lying, wow! Just wow! From a moderator? You've noted my consistent criticisms of Islam, and I've agreed that that's my stance. And you still think I'm lying?

I will say this again - with jazz hands - MOST of the misogyny detailed in the OP is occurring in the Islamic world. I believe this is by far the largest human rights violation in the world. It is no coincidence that Muslim women are so frequently the victims of this barbarity.

In my opinion, extreme misogyny is baked into Islam.

Perhaps you're confused by the word "apartheid" in the thread's title? Because we both know that typically that word is used in a different context. But these days that word carries a LOT of power, and I used it intentionally, because of the severity of the situation.

That's it dude. No hidden agenda.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

I know how they work.

Then you should understand that other posters chiming in on your posts and reacting to them hardly makes them "police".

Now what? Are you required to reply to me? Have a forced you to read or respond to my posts? Yes or no will do

You're very tetchy today. All I did was point out how you brazenly failed to respond to any actual arguments and just threw-out the implied accusation that Saint Frankenstein supports Hamas.

So, show me where.

 

[icehorse]

You really think you're going to find somebody in this thread whos in favor of apartheid?

The unlikelihood of that ever happening makes your professed intentions for this thread even less believable.

What I think I HAVE seen in this thread has surprised me:

- posters pushing back against the Golden Rule (because "subjective morality" ?)
- posters blaming "the west" for barbaric cultures in other parts of the world

I have seen very little supporting the idea that fighting the horrific misogyny outlined in the OP should be one of everyone's top priorities.

As for your thinly veiled suggestions that I'm lying, wow! Just wow! From a moderator? You've noted my consistent criticisms of Islam, and I've agreed that that's my stance. And you still think I'm lying?

I will say this again - with jazz hands - MOST of the misogyny detailed in the OP is occurring in the Islamic world. I believe this is by far the largest human rights violation in the world. It is no coincidence that Muslim women are so frequently the victims of this barbarity.

In my opinion, extreme misogyny is baked into Islam.

Perhaps you're confused by the word "apartheid" in the thread's title? Because we both know that typically that word is used in a different context. But these days that word carries a LOT of power, and I used it intentionally, because of the severity of the situation.

That's it dude. No hidden agenda.

 

[Ignatius A]

Do you believe, even if this were definitely true, that this justifies carrying out war crimes against Palestinian civilians?

It is definitely true

Palestinian poll shows a rise in Hamas support and close to 90% wanting US-backed Abbas to resign

The findings signal more difficulties for the Biden administration’s postwar vision for Gaza and raise questions about Israel’s goal of ending Hamas’ capabilities.

apnews.com

With that established it may not be justified but explain how Israel should defend itself without killing civilian hamas supporters.

Here is where the killing "civilians" argument goes off the rails. Hamas claims to have no problem with Jews it's the Zionists they don't like. Fine. So on oct 7 how was hamas able to distinguish the zionists from the jews in the people they killed?

 

[Ignatius A]

Then you should understand that other posters chiming in on your posts and reacting to them hardly makes them "police".


You're very tetchy today. All I did was point out how you brazenly failed to respond to any actual arguments and just threw-out the implied accusation that Saint Frankenstein supports Hamas.

So, show me where.

I addressed that already. Explain how my doing it again would result in better understanding on your part.

 

[icehorse]

The concern has been primarily been used for cynical self interest driven political interventions....a trend that dates back hundreds of years to when destructive colonization was justified as a "civilizing mission".
If the Western countries ever become truly "concerned" about the socio-political" state of other parts of the world, here is a simple plan.
Stop supporting autocracies, however friendly, with arms sales or trade agreements consistently and coherently.Stop supporting aggressive and belligerent states even if they are allies. Interact and engage with states having fledgling democracies even if their socio-political outlook is different from yours. No other intervention unless it threatens a common good (ecological problems, terrorism, nuclear war, genocide etc). Allow social evolution to occur naturally through representative internal political processes, as it happened in Europe or USA . Accept if that evolution creates societies that are very different from Western perceptions. Avoiding trying to game the trajectory by external interference.
Very unlikely that any of this will happen..

For the sake of discussion, let's say history is as one-sided as you're painting it to be. (I don't buy it, but for the sake of discussion...)

How does that justify the horrific, widespread misogyny that's occurring every day?

I'm not the US government. I'm a concerned citizen. I believe in the Golden Rule. I believe that humans are headed for a mad max world if we don't make some huge shifts right quick-like. And treating women as equals to men, is an essential aspect of the shifts we need to make.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

With that established it may not be justified but explain how Israel should defend itself without killing civilian hamas supporters.

Do you understand the difference between "killing civilians as a consequence of collateral damage" and committing war crimes?

Here is where the killing "civilians" argument goes off the rails. Hamas claims to have no problem with Jews

They do? Last I heard they were explicitly genocidal towards Jews broadly.

it's the Zionists they don't like. Fine. So on oct 7 how was hamas able to distinguish the zionists from the jews in the people they killed?

Why on earth are you asking me this question when I am not defending Hamas or have ever claimed they make any distinction between civilians and non-civilians? You are the one defending war crimes against civilians.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

I addressed that already.

No, you didn't. You just implied they supported Hamas.

Show them them supporting Hamas.