Right, the so-called TERFs. So is it fair for me to infer that you think that most of the women who don't want trans women in women's safe spaces are TERFs?
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Right, the so-called TERFs. So is it fair for me to infer that you think that most of the women who don't want trans women in women's safe spaces are TERFs?
PoetPhilosopher
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Some, yes. As well as some fundamentalists.
In my country, there is not such an obsession with women's safe spaces.
But with only-men facilities.
Once my best friend ended up in the men's locker room at the swimming competition, and the male swimmers chased her away.
But she had got lost. She wasn't doing anything wrong.
This seems to be one of those cases where the devil is in the details
So now I'm inferring that you think only SOME of the women who want to keep trans women out of restrooms are TERFs or fundamentalists?
Any idea if the SOME represent most or less than half? This is a key question I think, don't you?
In my country, there is not such an obsession with women's safe spaces.
But with only-men facilities.
Once my best friend ended up in the men's locker room at the swimming competition, and the male swimmers chased her away.
But she had got lost. She wasn't doing anything wrong.
Can you clarify what you mean by your first two sentences? thanks
PoetPhilosopher
Veteran Member
This seems to be one of those cases where the devil is in the details
So now I'm inferring that you think only SOME of the women who want to keep trans women out of restrooms are TERFs or fundamentalists?
Any idea if the SOME represent most or less than half? This is a key question I think, don't you?
I think it represents most of the women who object.
It's really not that hard to fathom, considering the number of fundamentalists there are.
I mean that I have several friends who are trans women.
None of them is obsessed with women's facilities. But they prefer to use men's rest rooms.
Also because they are into men...
so I guess they don't mind snooping around...
So I really fail to understand why there are so many LGBT people who would do anything to have access to women's safe spaces, in certain countries.
Got it. So I think that's a claim that needs a few citations.
That hurts my brain a little
I guess I would say that a biological male who is into men, is just a gay man?This also hurts my brain. I think you have to consider the Ls and the Gs and the Bs and the Ts separately when you talk about stuff like this, correct?
PoetPhilosopher
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Sure, so 51% of women would be okay with trans women in women's spaces:
New research reveals positive attitudes towards transgender people | Equality and Human Rights Commission
And 27%+ of women are likely fundamentalists:
Religious Landscape Study
Explore the geographic distribution and demographics of America's major religious groups.
www.pewresearch.org
No. A trans woman is a woman.That hurts my brain a little
Do you consider Vittoria Schisano in this video a man?
I consider her a heterosexual woman, married to a man,
Even if she is a biological male.
I would like to understand why in the US there are so many biological men obsessed with women's bathrooms.
Like in this case.
In my country the 80% of trans women would never dream of frequenting women's spaces.
PoetPhilosopher
Veteran Member
Why is that?
For several reasons.
Because they don't feel comfortable with biological women who can discriminate against them.
And because they are into men ...so some don't mind snooping around in the men's bathroom.
PoetPhilosopher
Veteran Member
In the US, it may be a bit different. In the US, I think 50%+ of trans women aren't hetero.
I'm not sure I understand that. Can you rephrase what you just said by filling in the blank here:
The majority of trans women are attracted to ____________
thanks!
PoetPhilosopher
Veteran Member
At least 50% of trans women in the US are pan, bi, or gay.
Here's also an article which talks about it:
Transgender sexuality - Wikipedia
At least 50% of trans women in the US are pan, bi, or gay.
Here's also an article which talks about it:
Transgender sexuality - Wikipedia
en.m.wikipedia.org
Do you agree that 80% or 90% of trans women keep their original genitalia?
Now if I'm understanding the link, when considering a category like "gay" we're meant to view a trans woman as a woman? So if X% of trans women are attracted to women the article would label those people as "lesbian" ?
You should know that in the US there is an overwhelming number of lesbians.
Whether it deals with women born men or women born women, the number of lesbians is significantly higher than in Europe.