Genesis 2

[outhouse]

Is this a lie sincerely and is the whole world out to get you?



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[metis]

The world's geologist in all of their assuming and speculation can not negate the Scriptural truths which the validity of the Scriptures/Tanakh gives. You are denying the very truths which Moses confirmed. Deut.4:5-9...

I have in no way denied what Moses confirmed, so you're making up a story here.

The "suggests/appears" are assumptions by those geologist...

They are not "assumptions" but based on what the evidence is telling us.

The question, therefore, arises as to authority for the "adding to or diminishing thereof" by the "we reworked it"??? The Scriptures give no such authority.

I did not say or imply that we reworked the scriptures in any way, so you're being disingenuous again.

However, the writing of Genesis by Moses was done at least 800 years after the Flood by my calculations of the Scriptural records.

Most theologians agree that the Bible is not a history book or a science book, but is a book of faith. To consider the Bible as being prime in the area of science or history is like me going to a lawyer to get a root canal.

Metis, that "synbolism" in names does not necessarily mean the Created events were symbolic. Jacob was named that because he was a usurper. and then God Changed it to "Israel". He was a real person. And David?="beloved".

Correct, but symbolism is used throughout scripture, and recognizing that fact does not in any way diminish the morals and values that are being taught.

The problem isn't just in teaching the principles which are GOD given,(confirmed by the Tanakh/Bible) but the establishing of where mankind came from----nothing(evolution/theory)---or whether a Creator GOD Produced them and all one sees ---including those essential principles for a right relationship to that Being by HIS created Beings.
Evolution doesn't teach principles, but theexistencee of things. Mankind then formulated the "principles" and leaves out GOD.

Evolutionary theory does not posit nor deny God or Gods, but is totally neutral on this. Most Christian theologians do agree with both God and the fact that there has been an evolutionary process and have no trouble accepting evolution as long as it's understood that God was behind it.

And as long as people gullible accept man's theories over that which was inspired by a Creator GOD and was recorded for mankind's admonition and learning mankind/people will continue to be in error, falsehood, deception, lie, etc.

Do you believe God gave us a brain, or is what's between our ears just a bunch of grey matter to occupy space? If we have a brain, I would suggest we should use it. If one believes that "god" provided us with false evidence, then I would suggest trying a different "god" because you can't trust him. If he can trick you in one area, how can you trust him in any way?

Was it "absolutely disingenuous" for GOD to send all those Prophets to a rebellious people who claimed to be "HIS People"?

I will deal with this on a follow-up post.

I am not a prophet, and as Amos stated, the Scriptures/messages given---is the message delivered. GOD gave no conflicting messages---it is persons who fail to see the total picture.
Believe as you acknowledge the truth has been "reworked".

You are not even close to telling the truth as you have continuous have me saying things I have not said. If you continue with your blatantly dishonest tactics, I simply will have no choice but to ignore you. You cannot claim the moral high ground when you falsely accuse others, which is a variation of "bearing false witness".

 

[metis]

Posted by Sincerly: Was it "absolutely disingenuous" for GOD to send all those Prophets to a rebellious people who claimed to be "HIS People"?

OK, you might want to check this out:

Genesis 17:[7] And I will establish my covenant between me and you and your descendants after you throughout their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and to your descendants after you.

Genesis 17:[13] both he that is born in your house and he that is bought with your money, shall be circumcised. So shall my covenant be in your flesh an everlasting covenant.

Deuteronomy 7:[9] Know therefore that the LORD your God is God, the faithful God who keeps covenant and steadfast love with those who love him and keep his commandments, to a thousand generations,

Deuteronomy 29:[12] that you may enter into the sworn covenant of the LORD your God, which the LORD your God makes with you this day;
[13] that he may establish you this day as his people, and that he may be your God, as he promised you, and as he swore to your fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob.

Psalms 89:[34] I will not violate my covenant,
or alter the word that went forth from my lips.

Psalms 105:[8] He is mindful of his covenant for ever,
of the word that he commanded, for a thousand generations,

Isaiah 44:[21] Remember these things, O Jacob,
and Israel, for you are my servant;
I formed you, you are my servant;
O Israel, you will not be forgotten by me.

Isaiah 45:[17] But Israel is saved by the LORD
with everlasting salvation;
you shall not be put to shame or confounded
to all eternity.

Isaiah 52:[1] Awake, awake,
put on your strength, O Zion;
put on your beautiful garments,
O Jerusalem, the holy city;
for there shall no more come into you
the uncircumcised and the unclean.

Isaiah 59:[20] "And he will come to Zion as Redeemer,
to those in Jacob who turn from transgression, says the LORD.
[21] "And as for me, this is my covenant with them, says the LORD: my spirit which is upon you, and my words which I have put in your mouth, shall not depart out of your mouth, or out of the mouth of your children, or out of the mouth of your children's children, says the LORD, from this time forth and for evermore."

Isaiah 66:[22] "For as the new heavens and the new earth
which I will make
shall remain before me, says the LORD;
so shall your descendants and your name remain.

Dt. 29(28): "Concerns us and our descendents forever, that we may carry out all the words of this Law."

Joshua 1(5): "I will not leave or forsake you…(7) observe the entire Law … do not swerve from it."

Psalms 19(8): "The Law of the Lord is perfect… (10) the ordinances of the Lord are true; all of them are just."

Ps. 119(160): "permanence is Your words chief trait, each of Your just ordinances is everlasting."

Isaiah 42(21): "pleased the Lord in His justice to make His Law great and glorious."

Baruch 4(1): "the Law endures forever."

Just a reminder that "the Law" is clearly in reference to the 613 Laws of Moses, which you can find here: Judaism 101: A List of the 613 Mitzvot (Commandments)

Now, if you actually believe in God, then let me suggest that the above simply cannot be explain away in some sort of disingenuous manner. If you take these both literally and seriously, then attempting to explain these all away by using some tactic would be unethical.

 

[outhouse]

You are not even close to telling the truth as you have continuous have me saying things I have not said. If you continue with your blatantly dishonest tactics, I simply will have no choice but to ignore you. You cannot claim the moral high ground when you falsely accuse others, which is a variation of "bearing false witness".

Get used to it.

His "personal" interpretation must include dishonesty as a day to day practice because it is all I see from him.

 

[metis]

Get used to it.

His "personal" interpretation must include dishonesty as a day to day practice because it is all I see from him.

Thanks for the heads-up, and have a great weekend.

 

[outhouse]

Thanks for the heads-up, and have a great weekend.

Thank you, happy holidays to you as well.


I keep calling him on it, because I disagree with letting people get away with being dishonest.

This is about education, not how to pervert education to meet out own special interpretation.

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly
Yes, The Tanakh(all of the O.T./Scriptures) does establish the Validity of the Creator GOD through-out its pages. It is these first two chapters of Genesis that sets the stage for all the rest of the Whys and Hows that follow.
For one to arrive at the correct understanding---one has to start with the truth of Creation and not upon some myth/symbol/allegory.

Could it be the truth is in the allogory/symbolism???

1 Corin 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world (age) are come.

NT:5178 a

tupikos (toop-ee-kos'); an adverb related to NT:5179; found only in 1 Cor 10:11: as a warning, by way of example, typologically (i.e. figuratively, as a prophetic type, a typological interpretation of Scripture).

Hi Benoni, Welcome to the debate forums.
In 1 Cor.10:1-15, Paul wasn't speaking in symbols nor allegorically; he was relating actual histories of the Israelites failings in their relationship to GOD. A history in which they continued to have adulterous relationship with---until Jesus left their house desolate.(Matt.23:37-38)

 

[Benoni]

Originally Posted by sincerly
Yes, The Tanakh(all of the O.T./Scriptures) does establish the Validity of the Creator GOD through-out its pages. It is these first two chapters of Genesis that sets the stage for all the rest of the Whys and Hows that follow.
For one to arrive at the correct understanding---one has to start with the truth of Creation and not upon some myth/symbol/allegory.





Hi Benoni, Welcome to the debate forums.
In 1 Cor.10:1-15, Paul wasn't speaking in symbols nor allegorically; he was relating actual histories of the Israelites failings in their relationship to GOD. A history in which they continued to have adulterous relationship with---until Jesus left their house desolate.(Matt.23:37-38)

Thank you for the welcome. I agree about the creation story is not a myth. But to say God does not uses symbolism or allegory is just as much as a myth. Much of the deepness of God's Word is hidden

Here is a verse I love:
Prov 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

So the Glory of God is always hidden; our job is to search it out and not close our minds to deeper understanding

 

[sojourner]

For one to arrive at the correct understanding---one has to start with the truth of Creation and not upon some myth/symbol/allegory.

There's often a lot of truth in myth, symbol and allegory...
Just sayin.

 

[sincerly]

Thank you for the welcome. I agree about the creation story is not a myth. But to say God does not uses symbolism or allegory is just as much as a myth. Much of the deepness of God's Word is hidden

Here is a verse I love:
Prov 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

So the Glory of God is always hidden; our job is to search it out and not close our minds to deeper understanding

Hi benoni, Paul gives insight into Prov.25:2 in Rom.11:33, "O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out! "

It isn't that symbolism hides/GOD or HIS purposes, because Amos 3:7 gives this truth. "Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets."

Deception is the name of the adversary's game. It has been from the "Beginning".

 

[sincerly]

There's often a lot of truth in myth, symbol and allegory...
Just sayin.

HI sojourner, yes, depending upon the context---and that context is missing in the Genesis 2 writings.

 

[outhouse]

HI sojourner, yes, depending upon the context---and that context is missing in the Genesis 2 writings.

says you. It is a unsubstantiated position with no credibility, and a complete lack of credible sources backing your opinion.

YOU still cannot show a break in any previous civilization, and your forced to hide from the truth and make up statements from dishonesty to protect your opinion. All the while ignoring questions you cannot ever answer with credibility.

 

[outhouse]

Sincerly, you are being asked to show a break in the previous civilizations that factually existed before your mythical flood date.

Quit dodging the truth.

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly
--at best----outright lies at worst.

Your going against forum rules.

Prove someone lied

The only thing dishonest is that you cannot refute there were no breaks in any civilization when you stated the flood happened.

Not only that you have ZERO, what part of ZERO evidence dont you understand. You have not supplied any information that shows a break in Any civilization due to a global flood.

Stop the nonsense, the flood did not happen when you stated and that is a fact.

outhouse, my comment before you dissected it was:

I wasn't there, you were not there, and neither were those who assumed that the "evidence they examined" were there. Facts??, theoretical--at best----outright lies at worst.

What is against the Rules is your actions. Also, when your address me as "dishonest" you are calling me a liar---and that you continually do.

The Scriptures may be "nonsense" to you, but they are REAL to me(and others).
There is ZERO evidence, in the scriptures, of other civilizations upon the earth prior to the flood. Therefore, none can be produced.

At the end of that Chinese article(revision), was this: ""Meanwhile, Prof. Li Xueqin asked academic circles to respect the different history-recording methods of different countries.""

As I stated, in another post, frommillionss to Billions, and still your want me to believe the "continual expansion" as "FACTS". It only confirms that there is noconsensuss, but opinions and surmises/guesses and that because one refuses to acknowledge that there is a supreme Being/GOD who spoke and it was so.

 

[Benoni]

Hi benoni, Paul gives insight into Prov.25:2 in Rom.11:33, "O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out! "

It isn't that symbolism hides/GOD or HIS purposes, because Amos 3:7 gives this truth. "Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets."

Deception is the name of the adversary's game. It has been from the "Beginning".

I disagree; God is not the author of confusion and Has control over all things. Hiding deep truth is was God does because He is not calling the world because he is not ready to.
Sure the symbolisms hide God's truth all though out the Bible from Genesis to The Book of Revelation; especially the book of Revelation which is made up of spiritual symbolisms for it says so.

I gave you Proverbs 25: 2 as well as 1 Corinthians 10:11
It is the glory of God to conceal a matter, But the glory of kings is to search out a matter
1 Corin 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world (age) are come.
NT:5178 a tupikos (toop-ee-kos'); an adverb related to NT:5179; found only in 1 Cor 10:11: as a warning, by way of example, typologically (i.e. figuratively, as a prophetic type, a typological interpretation of Scripture).

Here is Matthew 13
Matthew 13
13:13 Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand.

13:14 And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says: 'Hearing you will hear and shall not understand, And seeing you will see and not perceive;

13:15 For the hearts of this people have grown dull. Their ears are hard of hearing, And their eyes they have closed, Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn, So that I should heal them.'

13:16 "But blessed are your eyes for they see, and your ears for they hear;

When it comes to deception please do not tell me the enemy has caught God by surprise? Notice Who is doing the “sending”?
2Th 2:11
(ALT) And for this reason God will send to them a supernatural working of deception, for them to believe the lie,
(ASV) And for this cause God sendeth them a working of error, that they should believe a lie:

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

You string quotes together like cheap jewelry and actually believe that you've made a point. It is preposterous.

 

[Benoni]

You string quotes together like cheap jewelry and actually believe that you've made a point. It is preposterous.

I do not see you refute on of my cheap quotes? Sorry you do not have the eyes to see God's hidden glory. Its spiritual and you need the Spirit of Truth

Prov 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

 

[outhouse]

The Scriptures may be "nonsense" to you, but they are REAL to me(and others).
.

Scripture is not nonsense.

A literal interpretation is nonsense. Reality is the bible is factually not a history book, nor was it ever wrote to be used as such.

There is ZERO evidence, in the scriptures, of other civilizations upon the earth prior to the flood. Therefore, none can be produced.

TOO BAD because factually many civilizations existed prior to your MYTHICAL date.

It is ludicrous at how you can pompously denounce credible FACTUAL history.


This is where your being dishonest, because you have been shown FACTS regarding history

It only confirms that there is noconsensuss, but opinions and surmises/guesses

Nonsense


That makes you dishonest and hypocritical as you survive because of science yet you denounce their findings.


As well I have shown you facts. Do you understand the definition of the word FACT?

because one refuses to acknowledge that there is a supreme Being/GOD who spoke and it was so

More nonsense.

One can have full faith in any god and still understand reality and scientific findings.

The books were not written by god :slap: no god wrote a word with any credibility. Only man has ever wrote scripture.

 

[outhouse]

YOU still cannot show a break in any previous civilization, and your forced to hide from the truth and make up statements from dishonesty to protect your opinion. All the while ignoring questions you cannot ever answer with credibility.

And you cannot deny that there were previous civilizations because I have provided sources.

YOU HAVE PROVIDED NONE

 

[outhouse]

*edit* you could show where and when the civilizations around the world started, with credible explanations.

But we all see how your making it up as you go.

Do you think this shows honesty?