Genesis 2

[metis]

There is still an ongoing controversy as to the age of the earth and how one evaluates the events reported in the Bible----"age of the earth" and "flood". Even to the validity of the "dating methods".

In regards to the age of the Earth, there is relatively little controversy left except with details, nor is there really any controversy with the dating techniques. Nor is there any controversy with a supposed worldwide flood since there simply in no evidence whatsoever that there ever was one.

The only real controversy here is the one whereas certain people use a literal translation of the creation accounts that really doesn't make sense based on what we now know. Besides being terrible science, it's also terrible theology.

As Jews, we knew long before we knew anything about evolution that there were problems taking a literalistic approach to these accounts, which is why we had no trouble accepting evolution, as long as it was understood God was behind it all.

 

[sincerly]

In regards to the age of the Earth, there is relatively little controversy left except with details, nor is there really any controversy with the dating techniques. Nor is there any controversy with a supposed worldwide flood since there simply in no evidence whatsoever that there ever was one.

The only real controversy here is the one whereas certain people use a literal translation of the creation accounts that really doesn't make sense based on what we now know. Besides being terrible science, it's also terrible theology.

As Jews, we knew long before we knew anything about evolution that there were problems taking a literalistic approach to these accounts, which is why we had no trouble accepting evolution, as long as it was understood God was behind it all.

Hi Metis, You asked why previously, and now in that last paragraph have confirmed the Why of casting away your Creator GOD. Also, the reality of the context of Genesis Chapter 2.
It means that you doubt the writings of MOSES and GOD HIMSELF.

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly
There is still an ongoing controversy as to the age of the earth and how one evaluates the events reported in the Bible----"age of the earth" and "flood". Even to the validity of the "dating methods".

This is nothing but you being dishonest again.

You were shown facts and you have no refuted them as you cannot.

Wiki was not the source, 68 international science academies worldwide provied these facts which are not up for debate. :slap:

Not one of the "academies" has shown any production of any of the elements of the
chart ---much less all of them---from nothing. Until that is accomplished, they have signed a document/piece of paper, but proved nothing.
And you are being dishonest in claiming the have "proved".
It will still be up for debate when Jesus Returns.

 

[outhouse]

Originally Posted by sincerly
There is still an ongoing controversy as to the age of the earth and how one evaluates the events reported in the Bible----"age of the earth" and "flood". Even to the validity of the "dating methods".




Not one of the "academies" has shown any production of any of the elements of the
chart ---much less all of them---from nothing. Until that is accomplished, they have signed a document/piece of paper, but proved nothing.
And you are being dishonest in claiming the have "proved".
It will still be up for debate when Jesus Returns.

Stop the circular dancing around the subject. It is dishonest

Either you can show where people in China, Australia, Egypt or Mesopotamia or Israel were wiped off the planet by a global flood or you cannot. And you cannot because it factually did not happen at the date you provided.

It is a fact these places did not have a global flood wiping them out.

 

[outhouse]

It will still be up for debate when Jesus Returns.

Ya good luck with that. :biglaugh:

So far every person who has stated he will return, all have one thing in common.

So far every single one has been wrong, dead wrong.


The rest of us, will continue to use reason, kowledge and education to further our lives with a real understanding of the world we live in.


We wont live mythology and make claims we cannot back up. YOu made a claim and you CANNOT back it up with any amount of rationable evidence, nor reason.

 

[sincerly]

Ya good luck with that. :biglaugh:

So far every person who has stated he will return, all have one thing in common.

So far every single one has been wrong, dead wrong.


The rest of us, will continue to use reason, kowledge and education to further our lives with a real understanding of the world we live in.


We wont live mythology and make claims we cannot back up. YOu made a claim and you CANNOT back it up with any amount of rationable evidence, nor reason.

Enjoy your laugh now. God said He will repay.
Yes, it is "so far", but like JOB, I know that I will see my Redeemer. Also, I'll enjoy using my education, knowledge, and understanding not only of this world but that of the earth made new for the Redeemed.

 

[outhouse]

God said He will repay..

Nonsense

YOU make your deity sound so vindictive

Possibly some unknown author made a claim, but to date, no god has ever written anything with credibility

Yes, it is "so far", but like JOB, I know that I will see my Redeeme

NO you have faith and faith ONLY

that of the earth made new for the Redeemed

:biglaugh:

 

[outhouse]

Look bud.

If a flood of global proportion really happened, there would be real evidence everywhere! Yet to date, there is not a shred of evidence of any kind that backs the biblical flood mythology.


Not only that, Christian scientist would have it up front and in your face! to prove that their religion is true and better then anybody else's Yet they cannot because it did not happen as you describe

 

[Thief]

Look bud.

If a flood of global proportion really happened, there would be real evidence everywhere! Yet to date, there is not a shred of evidence of any kind that backs the biblical flood mythology.


Not only that, Christian scientist would have it up front and in your face! to prove that their religion is true and better then anybody else's Yet they cannot because it did not happen as you describe

But maybe it was wet enough to displace thousands....
flood farm land sufficiently to destroy crops....
force animal migrations....
and the biblical account would take place where the writers viewed the worst of it.

maybe....

 

[metis]

Hi Metis, You asked why previously, and now in that last paragraph have confirmed the Why of casting away your Creator GOD. Also, the reality of the context of Genesis Chapter 2.
It means that you doubt the writings of MOSES and GOD HIMSELF.

Yo sincerly,

Because I'm a skeptic, as most of us in science are. I "doubt" lots of things, including the accuracy of scripture-- any scripture. However, this doesn't mean that I go in the opposite direction and trash scripture. My approach is to read it and ascertain what the morals and values that are being taught, and then see what can be used that makes sense. It's an imperfect art, but actually each of us do it in our own way, but only some of us will actually admit it.

To take a totally literalistic position is really quite ridiculous, and really hardly anyone does it in reality. Some who claim they do will immediately back off that the minute they run across something in scripture they don't like and make excuses why X is "symbolic" or that the rest of us "misunderstand" (you know, the "if you only understood as I understand, you would know the answer" condescention).

 

[sincerly]

Nonsense
YOU make your deity sound so vindictive

Possibly some unknown author made a claim, but to date, no god has ever written anything with credibility

NO you have faith and faith ONLY
:biglaugh:

Rage on!

 

[sincerly]

Look bud.

If a flood of global proportion really happened, there would be real evidence everywhere! Yet to date, there is not a shred of evidence of any kind that backs the biblical flood mythology.


Not only that, Christian scientist would have it up front and in your face! to prove that their religion is true and better then anybody else's Yet they cannot because it did not happen as you describe

And GOD said, "Where were you-----?

 

[sincerly]

Yo sincerly,

Because I'm a skeptic, as most of us in science are. I "doubt" lots of things, including the accuracy of scripture-- any scripture. However, this doesn't mean that I go in the opposite direction and trash scripture. My approach is to read it and ascertain what the morals and values that are being taught, and then see what can be used that makes sense. It's an imperfect art, but actually each of us do it in our own way, but only some of us will actually admit it.

To take a totally literalistic position is really quite ridiculous, and really hardly anyone does it in reality. Some who claim they do will immediately back off that the minute they run across something in scripture they don't like and make excuses why X is "symbolic" or that the rest of us "misunderstand" (you know, the "if you only understood as I understand, you would know the answer" condescention).

Hi Metis, The Creator GOD We serve is either Able to fulfill that which HE says OR he is totally a myth. Yes, there are symbolic and allegorical things in the Bible/Scriptures, but the first chapters of Genesis establishes the validity of who GOD IS.
All have the means to read and decide for themselves the Validity of the Bible. (That is what these debates is concerning----condescension isn't an aim or a goal of mine as I take GOD as HE has spoken via the Prophets.---Literally and figuratively.)

 

[outhouse]

But maybe it was wet enough to displace thousands....
flood farm land sufficiently to estroy crops....
force animal migrations....
and the biblical account would take place where the writers viewed the worst of it.

maybe....

That is the truth of it. There was a regional flood on the Euphrates in 2900 BC that spawned all the flood mythology on the levant.

It starts with Ziusudra on the known kings list as well a attested river flood.


Which spawned the Gilgamesh flood epic


Of course which was later used by the Israelites

 

[outhouse]

And GOD said, "Where were you-----?

Not dancing around answers like you, because you don't have any answers or evidence beyond faith.


Which is appalling considering we have provided evidence showing it is impossible for as global flood as you describe when you described it.


Your factually wrong and deny it. That is dangerous faith when one denies the truth.

 

[outhouse]

The Creator GOD We serve is either Able to fulfill that which HE says OR he is totally a myth.

This is embarrassing.

And no deity has ever written anything. Only man has put ink to paper, papyrus or stone with any credibility.

 

[metis]

Hi Metis, The Creator GOD We serve is either Able to fulfill that which HE says OR he is totally a myth. Yes, there are symbolic and allegorical things in the Bible/Scriptures, but the first chapters of Genesis establishes the validity of who GOD IS.

The validity of God is established throughout the Tanakh, and one doesn't need to interpret everything at a literalistic level to understand that. But let me take your point above and run with it:
A question for you: does one have to interpret everything in Revelations literally in order to validate God? or how about all that's found in Daniel?

All have the means to read and decide for themselves the Validity of the Bible. (That is what these debates is concerning----condescension isn't an aim or a goal of mine as I take GOD as HE has spoken via the Prophets.---Literally and figuratively.)

Ah, so since you believe in also using some narratives "figuratively", then why do you not accept the premise that the creation accounts probably are just that-- "figurative" (symbolic or allegorical)?

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly
Hi Metis, The Creator GOD We serve is either Able to fulfill that which HE says OR he is totally a myth. Yes, there are symbolic and allegorical things in the Bible/Scriptures, but the first chapters of Genesis establishes the validity of who GOD IS.

The validity of God is established throughout the Tanakh, and one doesn't need to interpret everything at a literalistic level to understand that. But let me take your point above and run with it:
A question for you: does one have to interpret everything in Revelations literally in order to validate God? or how about all that's found in Daniel?

Yes, The Tanakh(all of the O.T./Scriptures) does establish the Validity of the Creator GOD through-out its pages. It is these first two chapters of Genesis that sets the stage for all the rest of the Whys and Hows that follow.
For one to arrive at the correct understanding---one has to start with the truth of Creation and not upon some myth/symbol/allegory.
Instead of starting where GOD started, Mankind has theorized how things came about.
Even the serpent didn't deny the Creation, but the serpent did attack GOD'S credibility.
Literally is how Adam and Eve lived those days prior to their Disobedience. They, also, lived "literal" lives after Sin and the earth was cursed.
Neither did those "Eight that survived the flood by being in the ark---do so by allegory---It was a real event. It was, also, a real event when the population was divided and scattered over the earth after the Flood.

Those Symbols and truths recorded in Daniel and Revelations were interpreted as to their meanings in the Scriptures---the "evidence is there". No those beasts,etc. were not "literal", but were seen in dreams/visions. And those symbolic meanings had "REALITY" in their being "fulfilled".

Ah, so since you believe in also using some narratives "figuratively", then why do you not accept the premise that the creation accounts probably are just that-- "figurative" (symbolic or allegorical)?

Metis, there is nothing in the "Creation Accounts" that even hint at "figurative or allegoric".
My GOD is revealed in the Scriptures as Speaking all things into existence. GOD didn't have to wait eons of time for things to evolve. MY GOD is competent to produce that which HE says. I'm saddened that you do not believe that your GOD is capable.

 

[outhouse]

And GOD said, "Where were you-----?

Back at you!

How can you know what any gods said, you were not there, where were you?



I have have factually showed you, your flood did not happen when you said it did.

You cannot refute it.

 

[Thief]

Back at you!

How can you know what any gods said, you were not there, where were you?



I have have factually showed you, your flood did not happen when you said it did.

You cannot refute it.

But if we care not the prophets and their testimony....then all of religion dies.

At this point you would no doubt, nod your head?

I don't think you can debunk the flodd story sufficiently to bring dismay....or disbelief.