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Genesis 2
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sincerly
Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by AllanV "The human mind appears to have developed in resonance with (an energy) that covers the earth to a greater degree"
Originally Posted by outhouse
"Not even sure what your talking about."
A Higher POWER than mankind that is operating to accomplish the WILL of that POWER.
Originally Posted by AllanV "Will mankind survive because every thing springs from the mind and there is a lot of confusion."
Originally Posted by outhouse
"Environmental conditions will dictate this over human nature destructing itself.
We are meat eating predators, certain behavioral traits that seem negative, are aspects of human nature."
Man's puny mind and brain are no match for that Power and unless it stays in focus with that POWER it will self-destruct. Being carnivorous will not help
Originally Posted by AllanV "The mind needs a transformation and this could be something like an evolutionary step that has to be taken for survival."
Originally Posted by outhouse
"Really?
Don't leave us hanging expand on this."
Without evolving from having a negative attitude toward that POWER there will be no survival.
Originally Posted by AllanV "Too much is read into what the Bible might indicate."
Originally Posted by outhouse
"Very true."
Yes, there is a great deal of misinformation read into the Bible by those who have not seen/believed/understood the POWER.
Originally Posted by AllanV "The truth is purposely hidden within the pages."
Originally Posted by outhouse
"I disagree.
Following human nature from ancient men, and knowing THEIR cultural anthropology, reveals the real intent.
There is nothing hidden, and what is hidden is not lessons, it is men redacting earlier text multiple times to match the ever changing cultures that changed and required changes at different times."
Yes, the actions of mankind is "only evil continually"---therefore, that need for the transformation. That "evolving from wickedness to "Right-ness."
The "redacting earlier text" only shows the continuing evolution of "Good' to "bad" and a "sweet" disposition" to one of "sourness".
Originally Posted by outhouse
"Not even sure what your talking about."
A Higher POWER than mankind that is operating to accomplish the WILL of that POWER.
Originally Posted by AllanV "Will mankind survive because every thing springs from the mind and there is a lot of confusion."
Originally Posted by outhouse
"Environmental conditions will dictate this over human nature destructing itself.
We are meat eating predators, certain behavioral traits that seem negative, are aspects of human nature."
Man's puny mind and brain are no match for that Power and unless it stays in focus with that POWER it will self-destruct. Being carnivorous will not help
Originally Posted by AllanV "The mind needs a transformation and this could be something like an evolutionary step that has to be taken for survival."
Originally Posted by outhouse
"Really?
Don't leave us hanging expand on this."
Without evolving from having a negative attitude toward that POWER there will be no survival.
Originally Posted by AllanV "Too much is read into what the Bible might indicate."
Originally Posted by outhouse
"Very true."
Yes, there is a great deal of misinformation read into the Bible by those who have not seen/believed/understood the POWER.
Originally Posted by AllanV "The truth is purposely hidden within the pages."
Originally Posted by outhouse
"I disagree.
Following human nature from ancient men, and knowing THEIR cultural anthropology, reveals the real intent.
There is nothing hidden, and what is hidden is not lessons, it is men redacting earlier text multiple times to match the ever changing cultures that changed and required changes at different times."
Yes, the actions of mankind is "only evil continually"---therefore, that need for the transformation. That "evolving from wickedness to "Right-ness."
The "redacting earlier text" only shows the continuing evolution of "Good' to "bad" and a "sweet" disposition" to one of "sourness".
sincerly
Well-Known Member
Erroneous Extrapolation by mankind in their assuming and dating.
sincerly
Well-Known Member
I did use it and was prevented from submitting because of to many tags, etc.. therefore , I deleted them all. But, I see you have personal criticism, and no response to the post.
outhouse
Atheistically
Unsubstantiated opinion. Provide sources.
You cannot denounce education and science with any credibility what so ever.
outhouse
Atheistically
Its because your not using it properly. Learn how.
it has nothing to do with your content or lack of.
sincerly
Well-Known Member
When you provide a source that was there at the start of the first of those "civilizations"
Outhouse, I haven't denounced all of science and education---just that which is "unsubstantiated" and based on assumptions and theoretical opinions.
outhouse
Atheistically
Stop the circular dancing around the subject. It is dishonest
Either you can show where people in China, Australia, Egypt or Mesopotamia or Israel were wiped off the planet by a global flood or you cannot. And you cannot because it factually did not happen at the date you provided.
It is a fact these places did not have a global flood wiping them out.
Yes you have and your being dishonest.
They are not theoretical opinions. Each civilization has factually existed before your mythical flood date, and after with no break.
gnostic
The Lost One
If there were a global flood during the 3rd millennium BCE, then there would be geological evidences of such flood occurring on the same date, in every single continent. There are none.
And such flood would have devastated culture of every civilisations. There would break in each culture's continuity. There are none.
In Egypt, hieroglyphic writings began around 3000. If Flood had occurred that affected Egypt, then they would writings wouldn't be the same. It would have affected their arts too. And even more important, there would be not enough human resources to continue to build palaces, temples and pyramids with each successive generation.
Almost every king in the Old Kingdom Egypt built at least one pyramid, and that required a lot of builders. (Some kings have built more than one pyramid in their lifetime, because they were pyramids for their wives/consorts, or even for their children).
And such flood would have devastated culture of every civilisations. There would break in each culture's continuity. There are none.
In Egypt, hieroglyphic writings began around 3000. If Flood had occurred that affected Egypt, then they would writings wouldn't be the same. It would have affected their arts too. And even more important, there would be not enough human resources to continue to build palaces, temples and pyramids with each successive generation.
Almost every king in the Old Kingdom Egypt built at least one pyramid, and that required a lot of builders. (Some kings have built more than one pyramid in their lifetime, because they were pyramids for their wives/consorts, or even for their children).
sincerly
Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by sincerly
When you provide a source that was there at the start of the first of those "civilizations"
Hi outhouse, We are discussing the GOD of the Bible and its content/context--Right?? Then quit your ad hominem attacks.
None of the writers of articles you sited were Present when "civilizations were established". All of their estimations are based on a continual wideing of their opinions. Most of the newer scientist have extended the age of the world/earth to 14+billions of years. 70 years ago, when I was a Child, the age of the earth was "estimated" at 1 million years B.C.. Today's it is 14,000 times greater. Like the national debt, "scientist" just keeps adding more years. Even so, no matter how many years are added, they still can NOT bring "something out of nothing." And the "life particle" resides only with the Creator GOD.
The Bible brings all the "facts" in sinc. That "big bang" was GOD speaking and bringing all those atoms HE Made together into specific forms. Like is seen with the combining of Oxygen and Hydrogen to form water. Awesome!!
The Scriptural account by the One who made all things says different. Which of your sources were there??
When you provide a source that was there at the start of the first of those "civilizations"
Hi outhouse, We are discussing the GOD of the Bible and its content/context--Right?? Then quit your ad hominem attacks.
None of the writers of articles you sited were Present when "civilizations were established". All of their estimations are based on a continual wideing of their opinions. Most of the newer scientist have extended the age of the world/earth to 14+billions of years. 70 years ago, when I was a Child, the age of the earth was "estimated" at 1 million years B.C.. Today's it is 14,000 times greater. Like the national debt, "scientist" just keeps adding more years. Even so, no matter how many years are added, they still can NOT bring "something out of nothing." And the "life particle" resides only with the Creator GOD.
The Bible brings all the "facts" in sinc. That "big bang" was GOD speaking and bringing all those atoms HE Made together into specific forms. Like is seen with the combining of Oxygen and Hydrogen to form water. Awesome!!
sincerly said:
The Scriptural account by the One who made all things says different. Which of your sources were there??
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sincerly
Well-Known Member
There are "flood stories" from all over the earth and there are sea shells on mountains all over the earth.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Geologists will tell you that there simply is no evidence that suggest that the sea levels even reached 300 above current levels. Also, the reason why you sometimes find aquatic fossils and shells at higher altitudes is due to the creation and building of mountain ranges due to plate shifts.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Because back then we didn't have the ability to know with more certainty since there was no radioactive dating techniques we could use back then, plus we didn't have enough knowledge about red-shift to tell how long ago the BB took place. As time has gone on, the picture has become much clearer, although there's always going to be some fine tuning needed, such as what we saw earlier this year when the date of the BB was pushed back slightly.
By throwing out the above, YEC's essentially become anti-science while at the same time professing to know "true science". However, either one is committed to using objective evidence or one isn't, but YEC's use pseudo-science that's a far cry from any objective approach at all. Read the accounts of the Dover (Penn.) trial as a case in point.
outhouse
Atheistically
Stop the embarrassment.
Tecktonic plates are factually how mountains are formed. :slap:
outhouse
Atheistically
Originally Posted by sincerly
When you provide a source that was there at the start of the first of those "civilizations"
Hi outhouse, We are discussing the GOD of the Bible and its content/context--Right?? Then quit your ad hominem attacks.
None of the writers of articles you sited were Present when "civilizations were established". All of their estimations are based on a continual wideing of their opinions. Most of the newer scientist have extended the age of the world/earth to 14+billions of years. 70 years ago, when I was a Child, the age of the earth was "estimated" at 1 million years B.C.. Today's it is 14,000 times greater. Like the national debt, "scientist" just keeps adding more years. Even so, no matter how many years are added, they still can NOT bring "something out of nothing." And the "life particle" resides only with the Creator GOD.
The Bible brings all the "facts" in sinc. That "big bang" was GOD speaking and bringing all those atoms HE Made together into specific forms. Like is seen with the combining of Oxygen and Hydrogen to form water. Awesome!!
The Scriptural account by the One who made all things says different. Which of your sources were there??
Every bit of that is dishonest drivel.
None of your sources were at any beginning of any civilization. Not one.
Stop the circular dancing around the subject. It is dishonest
Either you can show where people in China, Australia, Egypt or Mesopotamia or Israel were wiped off the planet by a global flood or you cannot. And you cannot because it factually did not happen at the date you provided.
It is a fact these places did not have a global flood wiping them out.
sincerly
Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by sincerly
There are "flood stories" from all over the earth and there are sea shells on mountains all over the earth.
Originally Posted by sincerly
Most of the newer scientist have extended the age of the world/earth to 14+billions of years. 70 years ago, when I was a Child, the age of the earth was "estimated" at 1 million years B.C..
There is still an ongoing controversy as to the age of the earth and how one evaluates the events reported in the Bible----"age of the earth" and "flood". Even to the validity of the "dating methods".
Notice this "editor's" remarks in the Wikipedia; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:age_of_the_earth
""""Please provide reliable sources to back up your statement. Being slightly more technical, the reason this Wikipedia article has no mention of the controversy is that there are no sources which meet Wikipedia's definition of a reliable source which support the argument that there is a scientific controversy. Alex (ASHill | talk | contribs) 02:42, 21 November 2013 (UTC)"""
That was less than a month ago. Believe what you want to believe.
One can not believe Ps.33:9, "For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast." and "billions of years".
One has to ask themselves---Did my GOD Create all things??
There are "flood stories" from all over the earth and there are sea shells on mountains all over the earth.
Originally Posted by sincerly
Most of the newer scientist have extended the age of the world/earth to 14+billions of years. 70 years ago, when I was a Child, the age of the earth was "estimated" at 1 million years B.C..
Metis said:
There is still an ongoing controversy as to the age of the earth and how one evaluates the events reported in the Bible----"age of the earth" and "flood". Even to the validity of the "dating methods".
Notice this "editor's" remarks in the Wikipedia; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:age_of_the_earth
""""Please provide reliable sources to back up your statement. Being slightly more technical, the reason this Wikipedia article has no mention of the controversy is that there are no sources which meet Wikipedia's definition of a reliable source which support the argument that there is a scientific controversy. Alex (ASHill | talk | contribs) 02:42, 21 November 2013 (UTC)"""
That was less than a month ago. Believe what you want to believe.
One can not believe Ps.33:9, "For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast." and "billions of years".
One has to ask themselves---Did my GOD Create all things??
outhouse
Atheistically
This is nothing but you being dishonest again.
You were shown facts and you have no refuted them as you cannot.
Wiki was not the source, 68 international science academies worldwide provied these facts which are not up for debate. :slap:
outhouse
Atheistically
Stop the circular dancing around the subject. It is dishonest
Either you can show where people in China, Australia, Egypt or Mesopotamia or Israel were wiped off the planet by a global flood or you cannot. And you cannot because it factually did not happen at the date you provided.
It is a fact these places did not have a global flood wiping them out.
Either you can show where people in China, Australia, Egypt or Mesopotamia or Israel were wiped off the planet by a global flood or you cannot. And you cannot because it factually did not happen at the date you provided.
It is a fact these places did not have a global flood wiping them out.