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Genesis 2

sincerly

Well-Known Member
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quote=sincerly] And the denial of there being a Creator GOD is validated and continues.

A witness unto all the world...and then shall the end come. Matt.24:14[/quote]

Ridiculous.

Your statements make you a extreme fundamentalist.


You are NO ONE to tell people you don't know, that they deny their deity, because they follow reason, education and knowledge and common sense.


You are embarrassing good theist everywhere

Hi outhouse, That article had to do with the Evolutionary theory ---Not the Creation of all things by GOD.
"their deity"?? OH! Yes, evolution/knowledge.

Good "theist" do NOT claim the statements they endorsed.
 

sincerly

Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by sincerly
All that GOD created was not Allegory/symbolism(the use of symboles)---It was all real. Real persons were given dominion over all of GOD'S Creation. Real persons communicated with a Real GOD and Real people disobeyed a Real Creator and that set up a real Plan of Redemption.

Therefore, my friend, since you claim the Creation was an allegory...so is the GOD that claimed to produce it.


You misunderstand what "allegory" means in this context, as it does not state or imply that God didn't create all. So, it's not "Creation" that's an allegory, but the creation accounts that are viewed by most Christians and Jews as being allegorical.

Hi Metis, There were NO Christian nor Jews with Adam and Eve. They were Created Real. They experienced the events that happened in the narrative recorded. And the penalties were real that occurred. There wasn't any allegory creation accounts. That is an asumptive/opinion made by man.
Yes, there was an illusion of the real Adversary appearing as a serpent or using the serpent.
 

outhouse

Atheistically
Here is my answer to a lengthy document concerning:

A signed statement by 68 different organizations to the effect that the Evolution theory was correct.





Yes, it is circular reasoning-----The Scriptures started with GOD in making all things and in honesty does attest to the validity of such---also, the reality is established as well.

No!, The Bible is true not because I make that claim, but because The GOD that Created all things sent Messages to trusted persons to record the validity of the Happenings that have occurred.

Yes

Your circular reasoning is not credible and is dishonest.

Your making a statement that the bible is correct because YOU say it is.


The bible is not a credible history book, and you have not given any evidence that it is, none at all :facepalm:
 

outhouse

Atheistically
"their deity"?? OH! Yes, evolution/knowledge.

Good "theist" do NOT claim the statements they endorsed.


Who do you think you are to judge other theist.

The fact you do judge makes you a fundamentalist and a hypocrite as your own books tell you not to judge :facepalm:
 

sincerly

Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by sincerly
Here is my answer to a lengthy document concerning:
A signed statement by 68 different organizations to the effect that the Evolution theory was correct.

Yes, it is circular reasoning-----The Scriptures started with GOD in making all things and in honesty does attest to the validity of such---also, the reality is established as well.

No!, The Bible is true not because I make that claim, but because The GOD that Created all things sent Messages to trusted persons to record the validity of the Happenings that have occurred.



Yes

Your circular reasoning is not credible and is dishonest.

Your making a statement that the bible is correct because YOU say it is.

The bible is not a credible history book, and you have not given any evidence that it is, none at all :facepalm:

All your repeated claims are based upon your opinion which in my opinion(based on your many post) is Not Credible..
 

outhouse

Atheistically
All your repeated claims are based upon your opinion which in my opinion(based on your many post) is Not Credible..

Im sorry but you don't have a credible opinion.


I have posted facts, and you have not refuted them. The fact you say I have not posted them makes you dishonest.
 

sincerly

Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by sincerly
"their deity"?? OH! Yes, evolution/knowledge.

Good "theist" do NOT claim the statements they endorsed.


Who do you think you are to judge other theist.

The fact you do judge makes you a fundamentalist and a hypocrite as your own books tell you not to judge :facepalm:

Wrong!, "By their fruits ye shall know them." But, their relational status as "saved" or "not"---isn't known until death or the coming of Jesus.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Hi Metis, There were NO Christian nor Jews with Adam and Eve. They were Created Real. They experienced the events that happened in the narrative recorded. And the penalties were real that occurred. There wasn't any allegory creation accounts. That is an asumptive/opinion made by man.
Yes, there was an illusion of the real Adversary appearing as a serpent or using the serpent.

Yo G2,

First of all, I would agree that there were no Christian and Jews back during the time of Adam & Eve since they're symbolic names of people whereas it's highly unlikely existed. In Hebrew, these names have particular meanings symbolically (Adam means "Man", and Eve means "life" or "life-giving"), along with Eden ("Paradise"), and what we see in the creation accounts is essentially poetry.

We also have confidence that these accounts actually came out of Mesopotamia, which has a similar narrative that predates the writing of Genesis. Plus we now know that we had access to that narrative since an ancient tablet was found that contained that in northern Israel not that long ago that also predates the writing of Genesis.

I grew up in a fundamentalist Protestant church, and let me just say that in this area of being opposed to the basic concept of evolution, which does not in any way deny God, you're been fed untruths. I know as I went through this process myself, and then finding out that I was being terribly mislead as my studies in biology and anthropology clearly were telling me when I was in my mid-20's.

Don't take my word for it, as I didn't take anyone else's word for it but checked it all out myself over years of study. I ended up teaching anthropology for nearly 30 years and retired 10 years ago.
 

outhouse

Atheistically
Originally Posted by sincerly
"their deity"?? OH! Yes, evolution/knowledge.

Good "theist" do NOT claim the statements they endorsed.




Wrong!, "By their fruits ye shall know them." But, their relational status as "saved" or "not"---isn't known until death or the coming of Jesus.

Im sorry but you don't have a credible opinion.


I have posted facts, and you have not refuted them. The fact you say I have not posted them makes you dishonest.
 

outhouse

Atheistically
Hi outhouse, That article had to do with the Evolutionary theory ---Not the Creation of all things by GOD.
.


Yes and it states FACTS about the age of the earth and about how long life was been on the planet.


To date, creation is nothing more then mythology outlawed in most public schools WHERE real science is taught.
 

sincerly

Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by sincerly
"their deity"?? OH! Yes, evolution/knowledge.
Good "theist" do NOT claim the statements they endorsed.


Wrong!, "By their fruits ye shall know them." But, their relational status as "saved" or "not"---isn't known until death or the coming of Jesus.


Im sorry but you don't have a credible opinion.

I have posted facts, and you have not refuted them. The fact you say I have not posted them makes you dishonest.

I don't recall getting any authoritative information that your opinion was meritorious.

You have posted the opinions of other men and on the subject we are discussing there is a lot of debate as to actuality and presumed Theory.
I have not refuted facts, but opinions/suppositions. Therefore, the accusations by you are dishonest.
 

sincerly

Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by sincerly Hi outhouse, That article had to do with the Evolutionary theory ---Not the Creation of all things by GOD.


Yes and it states FACTS about the age of the earth and about how long life was been on the planet.

To date, creation is nothing more then mythology outlawed in most public schools WHERE real science is taught.

They based their "opinions/suppositions" for those dates not on FACTS, but other men's suppositions/opinions. And continually push the "supposed date" further into the eternity of time.

That "fact" of itself should alert you that men's opinions are NOT Facts---and men have not proven that "nothing" produced all one sees.
The "myth" is in the theory of evolution. "Religion--a specific (denomination)belief about god or GOD be taught is what is "outlawed".
 

outhouse

Atheistically
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You have posted the opinions of other men and on the subject we are discussing there is a lot of debate as to actuality and presumed Theory..

False. Facts are not opinion.

I have supplied sources stating FACT and you have not refuted any aspect with anything other then opinion. :facepalm:

I have supplied sources showing you there was no break in a long running civilization when you stated a global flood happened, of which you only refuted with poor opinion :facepalm:




I have not refuted facts, but opinions/suppositions. Therefore, the accusations by you are dishonest

This is why your being dishonest.

I posted a source stating FACTUAL statements

YOU have only given your poor opinion without a single source to verify what you have stated.
 

AllanV

Active Member
The more interesting aspect to Genesis 2 is that when the forbidden fruit was eaten immortality was hidden and lost.
Therefore it is possible to live forever. So what changed? The generations after Adam and Eve lived a life that became experimental and experiential. It is the same today. People seem to set up situations inadvertently or even purposely just to stir others up. This is what the fruit of such behavior is when it brings good and evil on all participants in fact the whole planet is affected.
 

AllanV

Active Member
In mythology?


Or are you taking a literal unsubstantiated position?

Science explores in detail to gain understanding of aging and the prolonging of life.

There are some indicators that this is a strange world. Life pushes forward in a relentless manner but appears to be blighted by conflict, predation, mutation and lots of death.
Oxygen is important but it reduces back to oxides and even the human cell is not immune. Water as a solvent is necessary but this causes many problems on the planet.
It seems that there is a blockage and something refuses to allow any thing better.
One step forward and two back.
The human mind appears to have developed in resonance with (an energy) that covers the earth to a greater degree. Human's have a great potential but destruction is mixed in. Will mankind survive because every thing springs from the mind and there is a lot of confusion.

The mind needs a transformation and this could be something like an evolutionary step that has to be taken for survival.
Too much is read into what the Bible might indicate. The truth is purposely hidden within the pages.
 

outhouse

Atheistically
There are some indicators that this is a strange world.
.

Like what Allen?




It seems that there is a blockage and something refuses to allow any thing better.

Do you have an example?



The human mind appears to have developed in resonance with (an energy) that covers the earth to a greater degree


Not even sure what your talking about.




Will mankind survive because every thing springs from the mind and there is a lot of confusion.

Environmental conditions will dictate this over human nature destructing itself.


We are meat eating predators, certain behavioral traits that seem negative, are aspects of human nature.



The mind needs a transformation and this could be something like an evolutionary step that has to be taken for survival.

Really?


Don't leave us hanging expand on this.



Too much is read into what the Bible might indicate.

Very true.



The truth is purposely hidden within the pages.

I disagree.

Following human nature from ancient men, and knowing THEIR cultural anthropology, reveals the real intent.

There is nothing hidden, and what is hidden is not lessons, it is men redacting earlier text multiple times to match the ever changing cultures that changed and required changes at different times.
 

sincerly

Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by AllanV
There are some indicators that this is a strange world.

Like what Allen?

Man's inhumanity to man. Greed. Selfishness. Etc, you know.

Originally Posted by AllanV
It seems that there is a blockage and something refuses to allow any thing better.

Do you have an example?

In the end, it will be GOD'S WILL that prevails--nothing mankind offers is better.
 
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