Genesis 2

[outhouse]

Adam lived about 9,000 BC

And which [how many different] civilizations passed down the oral traditions too Israelites for this 6000 year period before Israelites wrote around 1000 BC at the earliest.

And why cannot we find this oral tradition elsewhere if it was so important?

 

[gnostic]

If they meant something different, then Adam lived about 9,000 BC

Not bl@@dy likely.

Are you suggesting that Adam is thousands of years old?

I am certainly not suggesting such things.

Personally, I don't think this Adam exist as a real person, let alone being the first man. But he does appear as a literary and religious figure. And the only age given to Adam is that of 930. Nowhere does it even remotely suggest that Adam lived for thousands of years.

Even 930 years is absurd, and it already make Genesis less than believable.

It is only historically inaccurate if you interpret the ages using modern reckoning.

"Modern reckoning"?

Like in archaeological evidences? Archaeological evidences are not good enough for you?

 

[Thief]

Not bl@@dy likely.

Are you suggesting that Adam is thousands of years old?

I am certainly not suggesting such things.

Personally, I don't think this Adam exist as a real person, let alone being the first man. But he does appear as a literary and religious figure. And the only age given to Adam is that of 930. Nowhere does it even remotely suggest that Adam lived for thousands of years.

Even 930 years is absurd, and it already make Genesis less than believable.



"Modern reckoning"?

Like in archaeological evidences? Archaeological evidences are not good enough for you?

I believe Adam was a chosen son of God and set into ideal living conditions.
Current day science would estimate our lives to be much longer if ideal conditions could be met.

 

[outhouse]

I believe Adam was a chosen son of God and set into ideal living conditions.
Current day science would estimate our lives to be much longer if ideal conditions could be met.

That is incorrect.


No one is going to magically be young at 60 due to perfect environmental factors.

WE already know the ages in the bible were normal for that time period. They factually attributed long lives to those characters they found important.

Many cultures did this, and Israelites were not the first. It doesn't mean it ever happened. :slap:


This is just another matter of education and those that refuse it.

 

[Benoni]

I see Adam long years having to do with his relationship with God, before and yes even after the fall; remember Adam is a son of God I am sure this glory was passed down to the generations until God’s purposes were compete, then God put and end to the long years.

The following was written by George Hawtin: No corrupt and dying blood flowed in the veins of these inhabitants of Paradise. No death-dealing carnal mind corrupted them to bring their members under the power of death and sin. They lived in a realm long since closed to the human race. They were clothed upon not with garments of wool and cotton or even seamless robes, but, because of their heavenly brightness and their blessed communion with God, they lived in a realm of transfiguration and were no more in need of earthly garments than an angel. All creatures of that perfumed, effulgent paradise were under their wise and loving control. No timid creature raced in terror from snarling ravenous beasts. The pitiful cry of a dying thing was never heard. Peace reigned supreme and love without alloy. Had this blessed son in his unfallen state walked the earth centuries later, he, too, would have stilled the waves, raised the dead, and healed diseases as did Christ, the last Adam. But this was not God's plan.

Adam and Eve were both…NAKED! Among all the creatures which God made, man stands out unique…stark naked…which means devoid of true wisdom and knowledge, with his inner nature revealed, opened up, exhibited, and made bare. Oh, that God may give us understanding to see that to be naked means to have THE FLESH UNCOVERED AND EXPOSED! In the typology of scripture "the flesh" is the name by which the Holy Spirit designates our outer life of soul and body, our earthly and carnal human nature, literally speaking of that nature which is earthly minded, with its lusts and self-centeredness, its ego and I-will which are in rebellion to the spirit. Thus, the flesh is not the outward, visible man of meat, muscle, and bones, but the nature of the soulical and bodily man. This nature was in man from the beginning, else Eve (who was of the man) could not have been tempted, nor could they have sinned! This nature could be seen to be in them from the time God lowered them out of their pure spirit existence, in the image and likeness of God, investing them with a body of earth so that man became a living soul. But as long as man was caught up in God he was not aware of it — for he was naked and was not ashamed (Gen. 2:25). Have we not all experienced the same thing?

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by Thief
I believe Adam was a chosen son of God and set into ideal living conditions.
Current day science would estimate our lives to be much longer if ideal conditions could be met.

That is incorrect.
No one is going to magically be young at 60 due to perfect environmental factors.

WE already know the ages in the bible were normal for that time period. They factually attributed long lives to those characters they found important.

Many cultures did this, and Israelites were not the first. It doesn't mean it ever happened. :slap:


This is just another matter of education and those that refuse it.

Scripturally, incorrect. Just your "educationally brainwashed opinion".

Yes, the ages people lived were "normal for that period" in which they lived.(Except for Enoch---365 Years.---didn't die) Pre-flood almost 1000 years. Post-flood dropped to about 120 years by the time of Moses.

 

[outhouse]

Originally Posted by Thief
I believe Adam was a chosen son of God and set into ideal living conditions.
Current day science would estimate our lives to be much longer if ideal conditions could be met.



Scripturally, incorrect. Just your "educationally brainwashed opinion".

Yes, the ages people lived were "normal for that period" in which they lived.(Except for Enoch---365 Years.---didn't die) Pre-flood almost 1000 years. Post-flood dropped to about 120 years by the time of Moses.

Nonsense


Provide sources

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly
Originally Posted by Thief
I believe Adam was a chosen son of God and set into ideal living conditions.
Current day science would estimate our lives to be much longer if ideal conditions could be met.



Scripturally, incorrect.
Yes, the ages people lived were "normal for that period" in which they lived.(Except for Enoch---365 Years.---didn't die) Pre-flood almost 1000 years. Post-flood dropped to about 120 years by the time of Moses.

Nonsense
Provide sources

Hi Outhouse, The Bible/Scriptures may be "Nonsense" to you and the "Source" for those findings are the Bible.
What I find as nonsense is the belief that all that is seen appeared from nothing without the Creator GOD.

 

[outhouse]

Hi Outhouse, The Bible/Scriptures may be "Nonsense" to you and the "Source" for those findings are the Bible.
What I find as nonsense is the belief that all that is seen appeared from nothing without the Creator GOD.

The bible is not nonsense. But the things you are stating are.

The things you state have little to do with the bible.

So far to date, nothing can be attributed in nature to your deity. Not a single thing. It cannot be stated there even is a creator deity. So far scientifically that is all mythology.


No one states the universe came from nothing. But ancient mens mythology is not how we explain hard facts of the universe.

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly Hi Outhouse, The Bible/Scriptures may be "Nonsense" to you and the "Source" for those findings are the Bible.
What I find as nonsense is the belief that all that is seen appeared from nothing without the Creator GOD.

The bible is not nonsense. But the things you are stating are.
The things you state have little to do with the bible.

So far to date, nothing can be attributed in nature to your deity. Not a single thing. It cannot be stated there even is a creator deity. So far scientifically that is all mythology.

No one states the universe came from nothing. But ancient mens mythology is not how we explain hard facts of the universe.

Hi Outhouse, Let me get this straight---The Bible/Scriptures "is not nonsense". The things I have posted which are revealed in those Scriptures" have little to do "with the Bible". Because "scientically" men have not and can not put GOD/"deity" into a test tube/under the microscope(or electron microscope) they have relegated GOD to a MYTH.

Since you say, "no one states the universe came from nothing"---just where and how did all that is "out-there" come into being? Those "hard facts" have not been answered by man's inquiring brain/mind. Only theories and opinions have been offered by man.
However, GOD revealed all the(gross) details to mankind in the Bible which you now claim/acknowledge is not "nonsense." Thank-you.

 

[outhouse]

Originally Posted by sincerly Hi Outhouse, The Bible/Scriptures may be "Nonsense" to you and the "Source" for those findings are the Bible.
What I find as nonsense is the belief that all that is seen appeared from nothing without the Creator GOD.




Hi Outhouse, Let me get this straight---The Bible/Scriptures "is not nonsense". The things I have posted which are revealed in those Scriptures" have little to do "with the Bible". Because "scientically" men have not and can not put GOD/"deity" into a test tube/under the microscope(or electron microscope) they have relegated GOD to a MYTH.

Since you say, "no one states the universe came from nothing"---just where and how did all that is "out-there" come into being? Those "hard facts" have not been answered by man's inquiring brain/mind. Only theories and opinions have been offered by man.
However, GOD revealed all the(gross) details to mankind in the Bible which you now claim/acknowledge is not "nonsense." Thank-you.

It is your Interpretation that is literal that does not line up with the facts of science.

Reading the bible differently does not mean that most Christians relegated a god.

One can accept science and religion without relegating a god

 

[sincerly]

It is your Interpretation that is literal that does not line up with the facts of science.

Reading the bible differently does not mean that most Christians relegated a god.

One can accept science and religion without relegating a god

Hi outhouse, My Creator GOD is literal and has done those things which is written in the Scriptures(Bible) concerning HIM. It is my belief that one day in the not to far future that all scientist will acknowledge the Creator GOD as GOD and bow before HIM.

Yes, there are some professed "Christians" who do "relegate GOD to a lower position than the "esteemed scientist"---and a lot of others who do "relegate GOD" as a myth.

 

[outhouse]

It is my belief that one day in the not to far future that all scientist will acknowledge the Creator GOD as GOD and bow before HIM.




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Many old men near death have made this claim for 2 thousand years, so far they all have one thing in common.

Every single one of them has been wrong.

My Creator GOD is literal and has done those things which is written in the Scriptures(Bible) concerning HIM

First "your" god, has never written a single word in scripture. Only man has.

And much of what was written has been proven to hold no historicity at all.


Egyptians lived beofre Israelites, and they wrote quite a bit, and when you claim a flood happened, there is no break in their civilization what so ever when you personally claim

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly
It is my belief that one day in the not to far future that all scientist will acknowledge the Creator GOD as GOD and bow before HIM.

Many old men near death have made this claim for 2 thousand years, so far they all have one thing in common.

Every single one of them has been wrong.

Historicity? That is past tense----the Bible speaks of a future event of such happening.
True, I can not give you a day--hour--minute of the occurance, but it Will happen.


Originally Posted by sincerly My Creator GOD is literal and has done those things which is written in the Scriptures(Bible) concerning HIM

First "your" god, has never written a single word in scripture. Only man has.

And much of what was written has been proven to hold no historicity at all.

Egyptians lived beofre Israelites, and they wrote quite a bit, and when you claim a flood happened, there is no break in their civilization what so ever when you personally claim

So you have continued to post as is the opinions of modern man----and that doesn't mean it is/was correct/so./

 

[outhouse]

----the Bible speaks of a future event of such happening.

Yes, they were supposed to happen within the authors lifetimes.

True, I can not give you a day--hour--minute of the occurance,

Thats right, you cannot.

but it Will happen

Says you. So far every single person that has ever claimed that has been wrong.

So you have continued to post as is the opinions of modern man

No I have posted facts.

Facts are very different from opinion.

When you go to college and learn biology you are learning facts, not opinions.

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly
----the Bible speaks of a future event of such happening.

Yes, they were supposed to happen within the authors lifetimes.

Hi Outhouse, That isn't what the Scriptures indicate. That is your own belief. The Scriptures are clear that only the Father will determine that hour of Jesus return.

True, I can not give you a day--hour--minute of the occurance, but it Will happen

Thats right, you cannot. Says you. So far every single person that has ever claimed that has been wrong.

No! That prophecy hasn't been fulfilled as yet---It will be in the Father's time-frame---not your dictatating.

So you have continued to post as is the opinions of modern man

No I have posted facts.
Facts are very different from opinion.
When you go to college and learn biology you are learning facts, not opinions.

Your "facts' have been sourced to the conclusions of modern man's articles.
What makes you think that I do not have a biology degree?

 

[outhouse]

No! That prophecy hasn't been fulfilled as yet---It will be in the Father's time-frame---not your dictatating.

YES!

So far every single person who has made any claim has been dead wrong.


Thousands have tried, and thousands have failed.

Your "facts' have been sourced to the conclusions of modern man's articles.

Yes, modern science. Something ancient men knew nothing about.


Moderns mans knowledge is what keeps you alive. When you have a heart attack or stroke, the bible will not save you, but modern knowledge has a chance.

The only reason we are all alive is thanks to the CDC and their understanding of evolution and how it applies to disease control.

What makes you think that I do not have a biology degree?

One cannot be a YEC and honestly pass the courses to hold a biology degree without disrespecting their faith that states they should not lie..

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly


No! That prophecy hasn't been fulfilled as yet---It will be in the Father's time-frame---not your dictatating.

Originally Posted by sincerly No! That prophecy hasn't been fulfilled as yet---It will be in the Father's time-frame---not your dictatating.

YES! So far every single person who has made any claim has been dead wrong.
Thousands have tried, and thousands have failed.

Agreed, every single person who has tried to outguess GOD has failed. That is those many doubting scientiest who reject GOD.

Yes, modern science. Something ancient men knew nothing about.

The Principles of GOD do not get old or out dated.

Moderns mans knowledge is what keeps you alive. When you have a heart attack or stroke, the bible will not save you, but modern knowledge has a chance.

Outhouse, I am deteriating from old age, but I take no prescription medicines. Those scriptures you say has no Divine GOD said with obedience to their Creator and Principles written therein----that the Creator GOD would not put those diseases upon one. I beleive HIM and my health has been relatively few of problems. However, I'm ready for that "rest in sleep" anytime GOD sees fit to bring it about.

The only reason we are all alive is thanks to the CDC and their understanding of evolution and how it applies to disease control.

The CDC doesn't base its functions upon the theory of evolution, but the functions of "diseases--after their kind".

One cannot be a YEC and honestly pass the courses to hold a biology degree without disrespecting their faith that states they should not lie..

There is no need to lie in order to pass a biology test. The Scriptures state that one is fearfully and wonderfully made---and Biology supports that Fact. It has nothing to do with evolution nor the "Big Bang".
That Bible contains subjects as antropology, biology, sociology, psychology, etc.

 

[outhouse]

That is those many doubting scientiest who reject GOD

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And how do you personally know which scientist reject god.


ARE YOU NOT told in your book not to judge?

The CDC doesn't base its functions upon the theory of evolution, but the functions of "diseases--after their kind".

Again, you are factually wrong.



Without evolution there is no biology and no disease control. :slap:

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly That is those many doubting scientist who reject GOD

And how do you personally know which scientist reject god.
ARE YOU NOT told in your book not to judge?

As the Scriptures reveal---"By their fruits"/that which they write and conclude as facts. And that understanding/conclusion of yours is not based on the "FACTS" of the "SCRIPTURES".

Originally Posted by sincerly The CDC doesn't base its functions upon the theory of evolution, but the functions of "diseases--after their kind".

Again, you are factually wrong.
Without evolution there is no biology and no disease control. :slap:

Evolution is a theory proposed by man to explain what one sees and experiences---thousands of years after the Creator GOD established their "foundations".


BTW--Is your little smiles supposed to represent your "correcting(abusing) me"? If so, then you are in violation of a Rule.