Genesis 2

[outhouse]

And too date, creation is outlawed from teaching innocent children in public schools in a science class.

And guess what, evolution and biology are taught in every major university around the WHOLE world as higher learning.


You ever wonder why???????????

 

[sincerly]

So, you say "God" is a "fact"-- so, please provide the conclusive evidence for that, including that it can't be "Gods". You keep on making these assertions, but you have not provided one shred of objectively-derived evidence.

Hi Metis, More importantly, you have failed to produce any "objectively-derived evidence" that supports all that is seen and tangibly experienced to be from "nothing." When that is accomplished, I will reconsider all the recorded witnesses reports of the Creator GOD's activity in their lives.

So, now you're claiming you know the characteristics of a "God" that you haven't been able to establish even exists through objective evidence.

That is your opinion that the Creator GOD does Not exist. The Characteristics are recorded in that Book you denounce and your "forefathers" witnessed as fact.

No, you don't have to take anything I say seriously-- my wife doesn't.

Eve didn't take GOD(or Facts) as serious either.

What I was just saying is that you are being misled and that there's a way to escape that through both serious and objective study. After all, most Christian theologians don't have a problem with accepting evolution as long as it's understood that "God" was behind it all. In Judaism, it's overwhelmingly accepted, and in both Hinduism and Buddhism, it's not even in the slightest controversial. Only in Islam is where you'll find the greatest numbers that support your position.

I am fully aware that posters here are trying to "mislead" me---Also, I did some "serious and objective study" in comparing the Scriptural account verses the human opinion version and fully understand that there is a CREATOR GOD "behind it all".
MY GOD didn't start something into motion and leave it to "mutate/evolve" into a more complex entity. That is contrary to natural science----which "decays"/"destructs". GOD'S way is to an ultimate goal which leaves all doubters with their false opinions.

Do you accept all that's attributed to Mohammed? Did he go to heaven with an angel to see what it's like? Do you believe in the teachings of the Quran and the Hadith? Why not-- it's written? How about the Bhagavad Gita or the Pali Canon-- did you read those and accept what they teach?

Is mohammed, as a person, written in the BIBLE?
Much is "written" which isn't truth, but can depict truth as an allegory---and there is outright "fiction". MY GOD is the same Creator GOD seen in the "Tanahk". That GOD is capable of completing the Creation of ALL THINGS in the Six literal days that are acknowledged and then establish the Seventh Day of Creation week as the Sabbath.

We don't know how life started, so that is not at all intrinsic with the basic concept of "evolution".

Because you do not accept the truth of life's beginning, doesn't negate the truth of when and how life began--- You searched the opinions of those who dug in the earth for artifacts to reveal the "life" of ancient mankind, but (Jer.29:13). "And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart."

Try to convince the geneticists, who are the reigning experts on what mutations can do, of that. We know organisms can and have evolved into different "kinds", so we're not the ones involved in speculation on this matter.

Really??? The genus and species determines the "kinds". Mutations occur when the DNA is altered at a specific location---but that doesn't change the "family" to which the plant or animal originally belonged.

Sincerly, you are being misled by your church, and you will remain being snookered as long as you are not willing to look outside of that box. I know as I was in there too when I was younger. One simply does not have to abandon their belief in "God" or the "Gods" simply because they accept the general premise of evolution.

What I am comprehending from that admonition is GOD IS A LIAR---and it is O.K. to be deceived by false opinions of mankind's mis-belief in the Creator GOD.
GOD either is the Creator GOD or HE is a MYTH. We each have that Choice.

 

[outhouse]

The Characteristics are recorded in that Book you denounce and your "forefathers" witnessed as fact.


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Nonsense.


Much of the bible OT and NT were "NOT" written by any witnesses. Both were factually not history books that recorded the history of Israelites.


There were written as theology, a collection of poems, songs, mythology, metaphor and allegory.

 

[outhouse]

GOD either is the Creator GOD or HE is a MYTH. We each have that Choice.

Your the only one claiming this nonsense.

First, there is no evidence anywhere at anytime that any deity has ever had so much as a pinky finger into anything from nature.

On the other had, evolution and biology are facts as well as the earth being 4.6 billion years old. It is fact the earth was not created in a week and animals and humans existed by the end of that first week.


And too date, creation is outlawed from teaching innocent children in public schools in a science class.

And guess what, evolution and biology are taught in every major university around the WHOLE world as higher learning.


You ever wonder why???????????

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly
That Bible contains subjects as antropology, biology, sociology, psychology, etc.

I have read the bible, from cover to cover, and it teaches nothing of these things that you have claimed in the above quote, let alone biology.

Please showed where it teaches any biology.

As to psychology. Judging by the story of Saul and that of the NT, mental illnesses (insanity and madness) are the result of evil spirit (in 1 Samuel) or of demons to be exorcised (in the gospels). That's not psychology, that's superstitions.

Gen.1; 2; 3; 4; 5; 6; 7; 8; 9; 10; 30. Plus "Do unto others as you would like them to do unto you."----Just look and you will find.

 

[outhouse]

Originally Posted by sincerly
That Bible contains subjects as antropology, biology, sociology, psychology, etc.



Gen.1; 2; 3; 4; 5; 6; 7; 8; 9; 10; 30. Plus "Do unto others as you would like them to do unto you."----Just look and you will find.

Very vague.

Cite specific examples, not all of Genesis.

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly GOD either is the Creator GOD or HE is a MYTH. We each have that Choice.

Your the only one claiming this nonsense.

First, there is no evidence anywhere at anytime that any deity has ever had so much as a pinky finger into anything from nature.

On the other had, evolution and biology are facts as well as the earth being 4.6 billion years old. It is fact the earth was not created in a week and animals and humans existed by the end of that first week.


And too date, creation is outlawed from teaching innocent children in public schools in a science class.

And guess what, evolution and biology are taught in every major university around the WHOLE world as higher learning.

You ever wonder why???????????

First, not the first of the evolutionary theories has been reproduced and shown to be Fact.
Second, the legality of evolution is a sham based upon Prejudice and intolerance. The Constitution Does NOT forbid the Belief in a GOD, but the enforcing of one GOD over another(i.e. one religion--belief system). However, that is the position which has been driven by atheist/agnostics to exclude the ability to present a balanced understanding of the origin of all that is seen.

Outhouse, I do have a choice----And that was granted to me by that same Constitution. And tolerance should work both ways. There is nothing in your posts which allows for any beliefs but your own.

You do not have to accept the principles contained in the Scriptures as True. And we both will go the way of mankind from "our ancesters"---to dust.
If,evolution is, indeed fact, as you propose, we both will continue to be "dust".
However, since the Scriptures present a brighter future for the believer in its messages, there is a choice to consider---and that I have.

 

[sincerly]

Very vague.

Cite specific examples, not all of Genesis.

Gnostic said he had read it all, and one can see by reading the entire Bible where examples of those disciplines are seen. Do your own reading---to which you can label "nonsense".

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly
The Characteristics are recorded in that Book you denounce and your "forefathers" witnessed as fact.

Nonsense.


Much of the bible OT and NT were "NOT" written by any witnesses. Both were factually not history books that recorded the history of Israelites.


There were written as theology, a collection of poems, songs, mythology, metaphor and allegory.

That is your opinion. metaphors--yes. Mythology--no. There was a reporting of the history of mankind from conception/creation and will end at the time of the end ot time as determined by the Creator GOD.
What was written was revealed to mankind by the Creator GOD--no matter the "form"

 

[outhouse]

Gnostic said he had read it all, and one can see by reading the entire Bible where examples of those disciplines are seen. Do your own reading---to which you can label "nonsense".

He wasnt asking for his interpretation, he was asking for YOUR personal interpretation of what constitutes BIOLOGY in your opinion

 

[outhouse]

Originally Posted by sincerly GOD either is the Creator GOD or HE is a MYTH. We each have that Choice.



First, not the first of the evolutionary theories has been reproduced and shown to be Fact.
Second, the legality of evolution is a sham based upon Prejudice and intolerance. The Constitution Does NOT forbid the Belief in a GOD, but the enforcing of one GOD over another(i.e. one religion--belief system). However, that is the position which has been driven by atheist/agnostics to exclude the ability to present a balanced understanding of the origin of all that is seen.

Outhouse, I do have a choice----And that was granted to me by that same Constitution. And tolerance should work both ways. You do not have to accept the principles contained in the Scriptures as True. And we both will go the way of mankind from "our ancesters"---to dust.
If,evolution is, indeed fact, as you propose, we both will continue to be "dust".
However, since the Scriptures present a brighter future for the believer in its messages, there is a choice to consider---and that I have.

Nonsense.

Evolution is now fact.


There is no legality with the FACTS surrounding evolution. It is taught in every major university around the WHOLE world as higher education.

WHY IS THIS??????????????????????????????????


It is creation that is outlawed from poisoning inoccent childrens minds in public schools science classes.

There is nothing in your posts which allows for any beliefs but your own.

Because there are facts of reality you choose to ignore, we are not going to change facts for your belief.


You can believe what you want.

But if you choose to debate about these FACTS you have to provide credible sources or bow out.

If you post garbage you will get called on it. And that is what we see here. Your posting nonsense in some cases and are being called on it. We then see you dance around and avoid questions and statements YOU cannot answer with any credibility.

 

[sincerly]

He wasnt asking for his interpretation, he was asking for YOUR personal interpretation of what constitutes BIOLOGY in your opinion

That having to do with life.

 

[outhouse]

That having to do with life.

BIOLOGY

There is no legality with the FACTS surrounding evolution. It is taught in every major university around the WHOLE world as higher education.

WHY IS THIS??????????????????????????????????


Is the whole world out to get you?

 

[sincerly]

BIOLOGY

There is no legality with the FACTS surrounding evolution. It is taught in every major university around the WHOLE world as higher education.

WHY IS THIS??????????????????????????????????


Is the whole world out to get you?

Sinful actions are also throughout the whole world.
You know what? 2Tim.3;13 States, "But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. "
That type of "education" I do not need.

 

[sincerly]

Nonsense.

Evolution is now fact.


There is no legality with the FACTS surrounding evolution. It is taught in every major university around the WHOLE world as higher education.

WHY IS THIS??????????????????????????????????


It is creation that is outlawed from poisoning inoccent childrens minds in public schools science classes.




Because there are facts of reality you choose to ignore, we are not going to change facts for your belief.


You can believe what you want.

But if you choose to debate about these FACTS you have to provide credible sources or bow out.

If you post garbage you will get called on it. And that is what we see here. Your posting nonsense in some cases and are being called on it. We then see you dance around and avoid questions and statements YOU cannot answer with any credibility.

You have claimed, but have not posted anything but unsubstantiated opinions. Not PROVEN FACTS.

What you have posted is nothing more than unproven opinions/"theories".

 

[outhouse]

Sinful actions are also throughout the whole world.
You know what? 2Tim.3;13 States, "But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. "
That type of "education" I do not need.

So the whole world is wrong :biglaugh:


And you magically have all the real answers why every major educated civilization is in serious error? :slap:


I cant believe you think the whole world is tryig to decieve you

 

[outhouse]

You have claimed,


What you have posted ".

All you have is faith.

While I have provided sources, you have none with credibility.

 

[Thief]

BIOLOGY

There is no legality with the FACTS surrounding evolution. It is taught in every major university around the WHOLE world as higher education.

WHY IS THIS??????????????????????????????????


Is the whole world out to get you?

'You versus the world' .....I like that.

And as you wave your banner of historosity...the world goes on believing.

Why is that???????????????????????????????????

 

[metis]

Hi Metis,

Yo sincerly,

More importantly, you have failed to produce any "objectively-derived evidence" that supports all that is seen and tangibly experienced to be from "nothing."

Let me repeat again, the concept of evolution does not intrinsically involve life coming from non-life as that is only one hypothesis. What you are continually doing is to link that hypothesis to the ToE whereas it is not intrinsic.

That is your opinion that the Creator GOD does Not exist. The Characteristics are recorded in that Book you denounce and your "forefathers" witnessed as fact.

I did not denounce "God" nor the Bible. so you simply are not telling the truth here.

MY GOD didn't start something into motion and leave it to "mutate/evolve" into a more complex entity.

How could you possibly know that?

That is contrary to natural science----which "decays"/"destructs".

So, even before you were born, you were decaying and destructing? The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics does not apply to segments but only to the whole of the universe. Therefore, the ToE in no way is contradicted by it.

Is mohammed, as a person, written in the BIBLE?
Much is "written" which isn't truth, but can depict truth as an allegory---and there is outright "fiction".

"Allegory" is not the same as "fiction".

B

ecause you do not accept the truth of life's beginning, doesn't negate the truth of when and how life began

We don't know the "truth of life's beginning" because we in science don't blindly accept any premise. Theists tend to do so, but we can't.

Really??? The genus and species determines the "kinds". Mutations occur when the DNA is altered at a specific location---but that doesn't change the "family" to which the plant or animal originally belonged.

Given enough time as we have seen for ourselves through the fossil record, it is obvious that the "family" can evolve as well.

What I am comprehending from that admonition is GOD IS A LIAR---and it is O.K. to be deceived by false opinions of mankind's mis-belief in the Creator GOD.
GOD either is the Creator GOD or HE is a MYTH. We each have that Choice.

Where did I say or imply "God is a liar", especially since I'm non-theistic?

Sincerly, you have continued to make false accusations against myself and some others here, which is a violation of one of the Ten Commandments (bearing false witness). Please do not accuse somebody of something unless you know with certainty that they have indeed made such statements. One simply cannot supposedly defend scripture by violating it.

Shalom

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly
Sinful actions are also throughout the whole world.
You know what? 2Tim.3;13 States, "But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. "
That type of "education" I do not need.

So the whole world is wrong :biglaugh:

And you magically have all the real answers why every major educated civilization is in serious error? :slap:

I cant believe you think the whole world is tryig to decieve you

Hi Outhouse,Those Scriptures you scorn/deride say those who will let themselves be deceived will be deceived----And those who will heed the warnings contained therein---will "come out of her"/refuse to partake of her false beliefs.

The "magical answers" are found in the pages of the Book your posts mock.

Those Scriptures tell of "Remnant" of believers----not "the whole" of the world.