Genesis 2

[outhouse]

As the Scriptures reveal---"By their fruits"/that which they write and conclude as facts
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So it is you, who is personally judging certain scientist and how they reject god?


Show us examples of which scientist you claim reject god.


Im guessing that will include every major university around the world including every single credible biology professor.

 

[metis]

Evolution is a theory proposed by man to explain what one sees and experiences---thousands of years after the Creator GOD established their "foundations".

We have vastly more objectively-derived evidence for the general process we call "evolution" than there is for any deity.

BTW, how do you supposedly know there's only one "God"?

My purpose of asking these question is that it's really quite disingenuous to continually ask for objective evidence for evolution, which has generously been provided, but not provide even one shred of objective evidence for a "God". Almost any theologian will tell you that belief in "God" is based on faith and not evidence, but in science we simply cannot work that way.

 

[outhouse]

Evolution is a theory proposed by man to explain what one sees and experiences---thousands of years after the Creator GOD established their "foundations".


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It is fact that evolution has been going on for millions of years, with most scientist claiming over 3.5 billion years.

Evolution is fact, and taught in every credible major university around the world as higher learning.


Creation is something outlawed from teaching children in science classes in most public schools in the USA.


To date there is not a single piece of credible evidence that points to creation as existing in reality.

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly
As the Scriptures reveal---"By their fruits"/that which they write and conclude as facts

So it is you, who is personally judging certain scientist and how they reject god?

NO! As I have posted, It is the Scriptures(Bible) which does the "judging" and that by their supposed contradictions and opinions based upon human knowledge.
Those who reject the revealed Will of GOD, do so by their own choice.

Show us examples of which scientist you claim reject god.
Im guessing that will include every major university around the world including every single credible biology professor.

Outhouse, Just look at conclusions and you have your answer concerning who is rejecting the Bible and its teachings as myths/not factual in its non-parable/Allegory teachings.

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly
Evolution is a theory proposed by man to explain what one sees and experiences---thousands of years after the Creator GOD established their "foundations".

We have vastly more objectively-derived evidence for the general process we call "evolution" than there is for any deity.

BTW, how do you supposedly know there's only one "God"?

My purpose of asking these question is that it's really quite disingenuous to continually ask for objective evidence for evolution, which has generously been provided, but not provide even one shred of objective evidence for a "God". Almost any theologian will tell you that belief in "God" is based on faith and not evidence, but in science we simply cannot work that way.

Hi Metis,Are you claiming that man'sknowledge and understanding of ALL THAT GOD MADE is superior to that which the Creator GOD intrusted to mankind?

However, "science" does operate upon the basis of "faith"---that their conclusions to/for the "objective evidence" of a supposed/proposed theory is correct.

There is no conclusive proof that what is claimed for 'evolution" is fact.

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly
Evolution is a theory proposed by man to explain what one sees and experiences---thousands of years after the Creator GOD established their "foundations".

It is fact that evolution has been going on for millions of years, with most scientist claiming over 3.5 billion years.

Evolution is fact, and taught in every credible major university around the world as higher learning.


Creation is something outlawed from teaching children in science classes in most public schools in the USA.


To date there is not a single piece of credible evidence that points to creation as existing in reality.

You have repeated this same --to use your expression---Nonsense many times. And it still does not make it a fact.

 

[outhouse]

As I have posted, It is the Scriptures(Bible) which does the "judging" and that by their supposed contradictions and opinions based upon human knowledge.
Those who reject the revealed Will of GOD, do so by their own choice.


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YOU are doing all the judging here.

You are the one making claims the people are rejecting god.


YOU are the one defining the "will of god" no one else is

Outhouse, Just look at conclusions and you have your answer concerning who is rejecting the Bible and its teachings as myths/not factual in its non-parable/Allegory teachings.

It is your own personal interpretation who is judging everyone else, you do not have the authority to do so.

 

[outhouse]

There is no conclusive proof that what is claimed for 'evolution" is fact.

FALSE

Evolution is not only fact, it has been observed


There is not a credible Nation on this planet that denounces evolution.

 

[outhouse]

. And it still does not make it a fact.

Im sorry that you hold a personal faith that denies facts.

Its a personal problem that does not change the facts surrounding evolution, or change the whole worlds view that evolution is FACT.

While creation is outlawed from public schools in science class.

 

[metis]

Hi Metis,Are you claiming that man'sknowledge and understanding of ALL THAT GOD MADE is superior to that which the Creator GOD intrusted to mankind?

Yo sincerly:

Maybe, especially since I do not know even if there is a "God". BTW, how could one possibly tell that it ain't "Gods"?

However, "science" does operate upon the basis of "faith"---that their conclusions to/for the "objective evidence" of a supposed/proposed theory is correct.

If even the most basic foundation of science, for example the "scientific method" itself, were to be found faulty because of the evidence, we would have to abandon it because science is evidence-driven and not faith-driven.

There is no conclusive proof that what is claimed for 'evolution" is fact.

The evidence is absolutely overwhelming, and I do believe that I may have briefly mentioned my experience growing up in a fundamentalist Protestant church that taught against believing in "evilution", eventually leaving that church and eventually becoming an anthropologist.

But since you insist of "conclusive proof", what is your "conclusive proof there is one "God"? Or what is your "conclusive proof" that there's a "God" at all? The reality is that you have none, and I tend to think you know that even though that's what you believe.

Simply put, evolution involves change, and it has been an established fact for centuries that new "kinds" can indeed evolve if enough time is allotted. The major grains we eat now were quite different many thousands of years ago to the point whereas one couldn't even recognize them through sight or taste today. What is called "bread wheat" is quite different from the goat grass that it originally came from through multiple mutations and selection.

I hate to say this, but the position you take really makes both you and your religion look quite ignorant even though I'm sure neither of you are. Things change over time, and that's all the evidence one needs for "proof" of evolution, and to deny that is to deny basic common sense that's very visible and testable.

shalom

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly
As I have posted, It is the Scriptures(Bible) which does the "judging" and that by their supposed contradictions and opinions based upon human knowledge.
Those who reject the revealed Will of GOD, do so by their own choice.
Outhouse, Just look at conclusions and you have your answer concerning who is rejecting the Bible and its teachings as myths/not factual in its non-parable/Allegory teachings.

YOU are doing all the judging here.

You are the one making claims the people are rejecting god.


YOU are the one defining the "will of god" no one else is

It is your own personal interpretation who is judging everyone else, you do not have the authority to do so.

The Scriptures are what disputes the Claims which are contrary to its facts---and those who contradict the Scriptural Facts acknowledge the rejections.
It is the Scriptures which define the Will of GOD and acknowledge it.

 

[outhouse]

The Scriptures are what disputes the Claims which are contrary to its facts---


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No it does not.

It is your PERSONAL interpretation of scripture.

and those who contradict the Scriptural Facts acknowledge the rejections.

What scriptural facts?

It is the Scriptures which define the Will of GOD and acknowledge it

No. It is people that define the will of god.


no god wrote any part of the OT, only man did. Ancient men, that knew nothing of evolution and biology.


You denounce education and knowledge because you don't want to open your mind. Evolution is fact, and despite your objection, old ways die with the people that hold ancient beliefs and mythology, and people will progress forward with the knowledge of evolution as fact no matter how hard you stomp your feet and kick dust. The world is moving forward, and there is nothing you can do to stop the progression of knowledge.

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly Hi Metis,Are you claiming that man'sknowledge and understanding of ALL THAT GOD MADE is superior to that which the Creator GOD intrusted to mankind?

Yo sincerly: Maybe, especially since I do not know even if there is a "God". BTW, how could one possibly tell that it ain't "Gods"?

Maybe??? and "since I do not know even if there is a "GOD""?? That tells me that you are not sure of your "FACTS" even today.

However, "science" does operate upon the basis of "faith"---that their conclusions to/for the "objective evidence" of a supposed/proposed theory is correct.

If even the most basic foundation of science, for example the "scientific method" itself, were to be found faulty because of the evidence, we would have to abandon it because science is evidence-driven and not faith-driven.

GOD is not a human that HE Would lie, but mankind from the beginning of disobedience has resorted to prevarication.

There is no conclusive proof that what is claimed for 'evolution" is fact.

The evidence is absolutely overwhelming, and I do believe that I may have briefly mentioned my experience growing up in a fundamentalist Protestant church that taught against believing in "evilution", eventually leaving that church and eventually becoming an anthropologist.

But since you insist of "conclusive proof", what is your "conclusive proof there is one "God"? Or what is your "conclusive proof" that there's a "God" at all? The reality is that you have none, and I tend to think you know that even though that's what you believe.

Simply put, evolution involves change, and it has been an established fact for centuries that new "kinds" can indeed evolve if enough time is allotted. The major grains we eat now were quite different many thousands of years ago to the point whereas one couldn't even recognize them through sight or taste today. What is called "bread wheat" is quite different from the goat grass that it originally came from through multiple mutations and selection.

I hate to say this, but the position you take really makes both you and your religion look quite ignorant even though I'm sure neither of you are. Things change over time, and that's all the evidence one needs for "proof" of evolution, and to deny that is to deny basic common sense that's very visible and testable. shalom

Metis, yes, you did mention that you had attended a Protestant church and was now an anthropologist(retired). Am I supposed to be impressed by that fact? Or take all you say as without controversy?

I wasn't at Mt. Sinai when GOD Spoke to the People nor for forty years while they were provided by food and water for themselves and their "livestock". I wasn't at the parting of the Red Sea while HIS people crossed upon dry ground and the Egyptians(who sought to destroy them) perished. I wasn't there when Jesus did all the miraculous healing and raising from the dead, but I do believe those things happened a were written for my(our) admonition.
neither was anyone around when supposedly living creatures came out of a soupy mudhole after a spontaneous explosion of nothing produced this planet.
Yes, there isn't enough numbers to affix a "odds in it happening".

You did say "kinds"--(i.e.) genis and species and not Phylums/Families?
"Simply put" "mutations and selections" are not the changes it takes to evolve into plant and animal life; nor to evolve the "structures" needed for the function of lower forms of animals into the more complex functions seen. (In either flora or Fauna).)

Man has tried to amalgamate that which GOD has made with the opinions of man's supposed ideas of what happened and it doesn't fit---with the seeking and searching of Mankind to the plain recording of GOD via the Inspired Prophets.

 

[outhouse]

Man has tried to amalgamate that which GOD has made .

And too date, that is outlawed from teaching innocent children in public schools in a science class.


And guess what, evolution and biology are taught in every major university around the WHOLE world as higher learning.


You ever wonder why?

 

[metis]

Maybe??? and "since I do not know even if there is a "GOD""?? That tells me that you are not sure of your "FACTS" even today.

So, you say "God" is a "fact"-- so, please provide the conclusive evidence for that, including that it can't be "Gods". You keep on making these assertions, but you have not provided one shred of objectively-derived evidence.

GOD is not a human that HE Would lie, but mankind from the beginning of disobedience has resorted to prevarication.

So, now you're claiming you know the characteristics of a "God" that you haven't been able to establish even exists through objective evidence.

Metis, yes, you did mention that you had attended a Protestant church and was now an anthropologist(retired). Am I supposed to be impressed by that fact? Or take all you say as without controversy?

No, you don't have to take anything I say seriously-- my wife doesn't.

What I was just saying is that you are being misled and that there's a way to escape that through both serious and objective study. After all, most Christian theologians don't have a problem with accepting evolution as long as it's understood that "God" was behind it all. In Judaism, it's overwhelmingly accepted, and in both Hinduism and Buddhism, it's not even in the slightest controversial. Only in Islam is where you'll find the greatest numbers that support your position.

I wasn't there when Jesus did all the miraculous healing and raising from the dead, but I do believe those things happened a were written for my(our) admonition.

Do you accept all that's attributed to Mohammed? Did he go to heaven with an angel to see what it's like? Do you believe in the teachings of the Quran and the Hadith? Why not-- it's written? How about the Bhagavad Gita or the Pali Canon-- did you read those and accept what they teach?

neither was anyone around when supposedly living creatures came out of a soupy mudhole after a spontaneous explosion of nothing produced this planet.
Yes, there isn't enough numbers to affix a "odds in it happening".

We don't know how life started, so that is not at all intrinsic with the basic concept of "evolution".

You did say "kinds"--(i.e.) genis and species and not Phylums/Families?
"Simply put" "mutations and selections" are not the changes it takes to evolve into plant and animal life; nor to evolve the "structures" needed for the function of lower forms of animals into the more complex functions seen. (In either flora or Fauna).)

Try to convince the geneticists, who are the reigning experts on what mutations can do, of that. We know organisms can and have evolved into different "kinds", so we're not the ones involved in speculation on this matter.

Sincerly, you are being misled by your church, and you will remain being snookered as long as you are not willing to look outside of that box. I know as I was in there too when I was younger. One simply does not have to abandon their belief in "God" or the "Gods" simply because they accept the general premise of evolution.

 

[outhouse]

Only in Islam is where you'll find the greatest numbers that support your position.



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The USA has a very large christian YEC problem. Most are the old who are not about to abandon a lifelong habit.

The old adage, you cant teach old dogs new tricks, sadly does apply.

 

[gnostic]

Do you accept all that's attributed to Mohammed? Did he go to heaven with an angel to see what it's like?

Clearly, they stole the concept of visit to heaven from the pre-Christian Enochian texts that were popular.

 

[gnostic]

That Bible contains subjects as antropology, biology, sociology, psychology, etc.

I have read the bible, from cover to cover, and it teaches nothing of these things that you have claimed in the above quote, let alone biology.

Please showed where it teaches any biology.

As to psychology. Judging by the story of Saul and that of the NT, mental illnesses (insanity and madness) are the result of evil spirit (in 1 Samuel) or of demons to be exorcised (in the gospels). That's not psychology, that's superstitions.

 

[metis]

Clearly, they stole the concept of visit to heaven from the pre-Christian Enochian texts that were popular.

And it appears that the Christians stole it from us Jews that were living around the time of Jesus, who may have stolen it from the Greeks, who may have stolen it from...?

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly Man has tried to amalgamate that which GOD has made .

And too date, that is outlawed from teaching innocent children in public schools in a science class.

And guess what, evolution and biology are taught in every major university around the WHOLE world as higher learning.
You ever wonder why?

Hi Outhouse, Your hatchet job on my comment is proof of my statement----Which in its entirety was: """
Originally Posted by sincerly Man has tried to amalgamate that which GOD has made with the opinions of man's supposed ideas of what happened and it doesn't fit---with the seeking and searching of Mankind to the plain recording of GOD via the Inspired Prophets."""