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Genetic Code is INFORMATION: Proof of Intelligent Design

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ArtieE

Well-Known Member
FearGod said:
No, we have a cause including me and you and the universe that we're in, the thing that always existing
doesn't have a cause.
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Then if something has always existed then this something now exists as a universe due to purely natural reasons and no god is required.
 
allfoak

allfoak

Alchemist
Of course there is an intelligent designer, that knowledge is encoded in the design.
We come to know the designer through knowing ourselves, i.e. the design. :)
 
FearGod

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
ArtieE said:
Then if something has always existed then this something now exists as a universe due to purely natural reasons and no god is required.
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And describe that "something" before becoming the universe that we know and what kind of nature
that made it to be the universe we know.
 
Shad

Shad

Veteran Member
jeager106 said:
Oh pleeeease!
"it is about resolving mental and religious issues."

Mental and religious issue can not be, nor ever will be, resolved.
Better to say attitudes will never be resolved.
40,000 denominations of Christianity ALL reading the same book.
From the Westboro Baptists who preach God hates homosexuals to the Pentecostals that play with rattlesnakes.
FRINGE religions will always exist.
15% of the Muslim world believe in or support VIOLENT jihad.
Cure that!
Recall when a group of Muslims burned a capture Muslim pilot alive on world television and cheered
while watching him burn to death.
Does Islam preach that?
I certainly hope not.
Google crimes committed by Christians in the name of God/Jesus.
Shocking.
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You do not understand my point and your reply shows this.
 
gnostic

gnostic

The Lost One
Etritonakin said:
Science is reality-based. Evolution exists/happens and is part of the whole -whether it refers to element-based evolution or in its broadest sense. Creation also exists/happens -both intended and unintended.
I am not necessarily talking about bible-based beliefs. I am pointing out that both evolution and creation exist -and are essentially inextricable.
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Except that evolution is not about creation, or even about cosmology.

Evolution only state that life changes, where changes are possible through passing genes, from parents to offspring, ancestors to descendants, hence through genetic.

This is biology, so it is not concern with the origin of the universe (hence cosmology). It is not even concern with origin of first life, which is in the biochemistry field of ABIOGENESIS, not evolution.

People who study diseases, viruses, bacteria, vaccines, etc, study evolution, don't require any knowledge of first life ever.

From evolution, they can learn about natural selection and mutation are involved with viruses. The vaccines may be successful, but viruses can mutate into new strains of the viruses, which lead to the viruses being resistant or even immune to the deveopled vaccines. This required vaccine research to develop new vaccines against the new strains. These researchers don't need to know about ancient diseases, dinosaurs or the first life, in order to understand the illnesses they are working on.

The study of viruses, showed that the evolutionary biology is factual, evidence-based.

To say that evolution is a religion, or is a faith-based belief, just showed that you don't understand what evidence-based science or you are just plain dishonest. I think it is both.
 
Segev Moran

Segev Moran

Well-Known Member
ftacky said:
The genetic sciences in our 21st Century has left no reasonable doubt as to the question of God's existence. God does indeed exist, and the evidence is overwhelming for those with an open mind.
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If the evidence was so overwhelming.. you wouldn't need an open mind.. just as you don't need an open mind to know the moon is not a light source.

INFORMATION is different from other things in that although it is stored by a physical entity, such as a brain, a USB drive, a piece of paper, or a DNA molecule,
INFORMATION itself it is not a physical entity.
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I Agree.. Information is indeed not a physical thing.. actually.. Information is not a real thing.. information is a term we invented to explain the ability of one to interperet the things around him.
Because our genetic code is a highly complex form of INFORMATION stored in the cell,
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Genetic codes seem complex now.. as humans only barely discovered it.. As we learn more about it.. the "mysteries" of it will gradually fade away
and since all information requires an intelligent source, this provides solid evidence for an intelligent designer.
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Wrong..As you yourself said.. information is not a thing really.. its a term.. and if it is not real.. then it is not a must that it was created by intelligence....
Can you claim that dirt is a proof of intelligent design? one grain of sand contains a lot of information..yet no one seems to claim that dirt is the proof for intelligent design
If you'll dig a bit into the past.. you'll see that every time science discovered something that looks so complex for us to understand.. theists will jump on the train and claim that only intelligent design can explain the discovery.. yet once science provides more knowledge and explanations, the claim for intelligent seems less relevant.
1) NASA and SETI (Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence) use this same scientific principle to search for intelligent life, that INFORMATION implies an intelligent source.
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???
In the following SETI article, they discuss how a signal from space directs them toward the conclusion that intelligent life has been discovered or not, based on whether the signal actually represents information (as opposed to background noise). SETI scientists discuss how they would use the same principles to try and return their communication:
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Its not related to information rather to the fact that they look for sounds and signs that are not natural (Like for example, radio signals and such)
The universe is constantly sending information towards earth.. but SETI knows to filter the information that is natural... they look for the artificial one...

On the other side of the coin... We send out artificial information assuming that only intelligent species will understand it is an artificial intelligent...
the information part here is not the proof of intelligence.. rather the ability to understand and process the information..Although every living being and plants process information, the difference is they cannot interpolate it .. the ability to interpolate information.. that's a proof of intelligent.
So if your claim was that science found proof that God can interpolate information.. that's something else.

2) Our genetic code qualifies as a language:
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I think that is a very misleading statement.
It might be considered a language.. but it is of a whole different idea of language for dynamic communication...
It qualifies as a language in a sense of template... you can not speak DNAish... you can however understand what each pattern in a DNA means...
"The only types of communication considered high level are, (1) human languages and (2) artificial languages, namely computer and morse codes and the genetic code. No other communication system has been found to contain the basic characteristics of a language."
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That is plainly wrong!
It is today known that in means of communication, humans are much less evolved than other many species.
Take an ant for example.. it doesn't need a language.. yet the communication mechanism of ants is much superior of those of humans...
Dolphins communicate in levels we are yet to understand...
And the list goes on and on

3) Even skeptics have abandoned their atheism for this reason. Sir Antony Flew, the late world-famous philosopher who had been the leading atheist in England, renounced his atheism a few years back and accepted the existence of God.
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On the other side of the coin, A Majority of atheists in the world.. weren't raised as atheist rather came from religious background.. And most came to atheism as they learned and discovered science...
So this claim doesn't really help your argument other than waving big names.
4) So what form of information is our genetic code? It is a DIGITAL language.
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Pointing back to what i said earlier.. not really of an actual language...
a) "All present life is based on digitally encoded information.” - National Academy of Sciences (PNAS)
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The term digital is very misleading here...
I Think it is more that humans invented a language (Mathematics) to be able to communicate things that cannot otherwise be communicated...

How can you explain that 1+1=2 without math???
the fact that the universe can be explain mathematically doesn't mean it is indeed mathematical...it just means we can use mathematics to explain it...

c) “DNA is like a computer program but far, far more advanced than any software ever created.” - Bill Gates, Founder of Microsoft
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If you read it out of context.. it might actually sound as if bill gates claims DNA is proof of intelligent deign.. but it is not really the case..
Bill gates just tried to explain what DNA is in terms that non-scientific population can understand
DNA is more of a road-map rather than a coding language..its a scheme, a directions manual.
5) How much information is contained in our cells?
Wow.. Tons!!!!! But let me ask you this.. lets say, in 200 years.. that one computer will be able to hold information as the entire human race? will this make the amount of information in a cell that impressive? nope.
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Haha.. used your title....
In conclusion.. Your entire post is based on a claim of ignorance.. not yours.. rather humans...
The fact we do not understand how something works.. doesn't mean that something unnatural created it...
It doesn't mean that only a supreme being could have made it...
It might be.. no one can claim that its a 100% sure there is no God.. but until proven otherwise.. God is nothing but a wild guess that have no support by the reallity we live in.

To finish the reply... I'll add that..
Now... let's say you are right... the fact that DNA is complex proves that it was intelligent design created it...
It doesn't mean that it was a God! it can be one of many many wild and unimaginable possibilities to name a few:
(Which are all BTW much more possible than God)

1. A simulated reality.. where we are actually nothing but an advanced AI of some advanced civilization
2. We are created by Alien race that is advanced to the level it can create life
3. We are some kind of an experiment of ET that planted us here

And just for the sake of the Argue.. Let's assume that indeed.. it is a God that created life here on earth.. it has no implication what so ever about the fact that God steers and navigates us all and have the ability to control everything that we do or think ETC..
It only means that to whatever it is that started life on earth.. we call God as we are lacking the knowledge to call something else.
 
Etritonakin

Etritonakin

Well-Known Member
gnostic said:
Except that evolution is not about creation, or even about cosmology.

Evolution only state that life changes, where changes are possible through passing genes, from parents to offspring, ancestors to descendants, hence through genetic.

This is biology, so it is not concern with the origin of the universe (hence cosmology). It is not even concern with origin of first life, which is in the biochemistry field of ABIOGENESIS, not evolution.

People who study diseases, viruses, bacteria, vaccines, etc, study evolution, don't require any knowledge of first life ever.

From evolution, they can learn about natural selection and mutation are involved with viruses. The vaccines may be successful, but viruses can mutate into new strains of the viruses, which lead to the viruses being resistant or even immune to the deveopled vaccines. This required vaccine research to develop new vaccines against the new strains. These researchers don't need to know about ancient diseases, dinosaurs or the first life, in order to understand the illnesses they are working on.

The study of viruses, showed that the evolutionary biology is factual, evidence-based.

To say that evolution is a religion, or is a faith-based belief, just showed that you don't understand what evidence-based science or you are just plain dishonest. I think it is both.
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Maybe if I even said that -which I didn't.
 
Lighthouse

Lighthouse

Well-Known Member
Mestemia said:
One wonders how you get the idea that I am "giving an age for the universe" when the post you quoted says absolutely nothing about the universe.
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Allow me to rephrase.
If someone gives an age to the universe, does that suggest it was created?
By stating that the universe has always existed, that is contrary to the age given by scientists to the universe.
 
McBell

McBell

Unbound
Lighthouse said:
Allow me to rephrase.
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I do not know that you need permission, but if you think you do, it is granted.

Lighthouse said:
If someone gives an age to the universe, does that suggest it was created?
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I rather suspect that to those who garnish their beliefs with the idea the universe was created that an age suggests creation.
Just as I rather suspect that for those who garnish their beliefs with the idea the universe has always existed that any age presented would just simply be flat out wrong.
I also suspect that there are numerous other fancies to be tickled concerning the universe.

Lighthouse said:
By stating that the universe has always existed, that is contrary to the age given by scientists to the universe.
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Perhaps someone more knowlegable then myself can explain the idea that the universe in its current form is only {insert the number I can not remember here} billions of years old/
 
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