Genocide in 1st Samuel 15:2-3

[Autodidact]

If all this means he killed or had killed babies then so be it. They were probably much better off than to have been raised by those that would have continually looked on them as the sons and daughters of their enemies. Again it doesn't matter. Call it whatever you want. I like the word genocide and do believe that that is exactly what was done.

And here you have religionist ethics in a nutshell. What's a few dead babies to you? Who cares? Meh, dead babies, whatever. What matters is that we obey (what we think) our (imaginary or not) God. That's what matters!

And that's why we atheists hate religion.

 

[Kerr]

Has anyone ever really noticed that it usually is only the atheist that ask such or argue such things?

Of course, we see things so much clearer... kidding, lol. We are all blind in our own way, but what can we do except relate to the world according to our values, our ideas and our concepts about what is right and wrong? What can we do except look at it from our own eyes? It is what we all do, atheist or theist, Christian or non-religious.

Elohim created all things and can and will do with his own creation as he see's fit. It don't matter what we as the created think and feel. Flesh does not matter at all. There is only one thing that matters and that is if we are going to obey Elohim or not and if we will do so even under the strains and pulls of live. If all this means he killed or had killed babies then so be it. They were probably much better off than to have been raised by those that would have continually looked on them as the sons and daughters of their enemies. Again it doesn't matter. Call it whatever you want. I like the word genocide and do believe that that is exactly what was done. Elohim probably does not look at or think about those things as men do but probably looked at it as complete and utter justice by which the whole of the entire world would know that you don't mess with the one that created all things to do that which is not pleasing to his eye's.

Once you have created a cousious being, that being has a right to exist on its own terms. Once created, that being is entitled to freedom. God or man, you cannot create a living breathing human being and expect it to do your bidding no matter what.

 

[Kerr]

And that's why we atheists hate religion.

I don´t hate religion. Extremism, on the other hand, is a major source of unnesseccary suffering. I may not hate it either, but I am against it with every fiber and cell in my body.

 

[gwk230]

And here you have religionist ethics in a nutshell. What's a few dead babies to you? Who cares? Meh, dead babies, whatever. What matters is that we obey (what we think) our (imaginary or not) God. That's what matters!

And that's why we atheists hate religion.

And here we have why you are here posting replies on a religious forum. Its because you hate religion.

 

[gwk230]

Of course, we see things so much clearer... kidding, lol. We are all blind in our own way, but what can we do except relate to the world according to our values, our ideas and our concepts about what is right and wrong? What can we do except look at it from our own eyes? It is what we all do, atheist or theist, Christian or non-religious.

Ours, We, Own? I subscribe to those by which came from Yah my Elohim and do not allow what I think and feel to matter. Because it don't matter. I am but a worm. A dust bunny. Mud pie. I will obey the one who created me to the best of my ability as it is my free will to do so and yours not.

Once you have created a cousious being, that being has a right to exist on its own terms.

Says who?

Once created, that being is entitled to freedom.

By what authority over the one that created all things is this so stated?

God or man, you cannot create a living breathing human being and expect it to do your bidding no matter what.

Man? Thats a good one. Yah Elohim on the otherhand can do whatever he wishes with what he created. Help it to flourish into a beautiful flower by giving it good soil with lots of nutirents and plenty of rain and sunshine. Or he could just wad it all up and throw in in the waste basket. His choice for he has control and power over all things that are.

 

[Autodidact]

And here we have why you are here posting replies on a religious forum. Its because you hate religion.

Do you even know where you are? This isn't a religious forum, it's a forum about religion--and the lack thereof.

Are you trying to accuse me of dishonesty?

 

[Autodidact]

Ours, We, Own? I subscribe to those by which came from Yah my Elohim and do not allow what I think and feel to matter. Because it don't matter. I am but a worm. A dust bunny. Mud pie. I will obey the one who created me to the best of my ability as it is my free will to do so and yours not.



Says who?



By what authority over the one that created all things is this so stated?



Man? Thats a good one. Yah Elohim on the otherhand can do whatever he wishes with what he created. Help it to flourish into a beautiful flower by giving it good soil with lots of nutirents and plenty of rain and sunshine. Or he could just wad it all up and throw in in the waste basket. His choice for he has control and power over all things that are.

Or he can slaughter it--all up to Elohim, according to gwk. Funny how Elohim gets his people to do the dirty work for him.

 

[idea]

These verses say "Thus says the Lord of Hosts, "I will punish the Amalekites for what they did in opposing the Israelites when they came up out of Egypt. (3) Now go and attack Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have; do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey". This story says God told the Israelites to commit genocide against the Amalekites. If you believe the Bible to be the inerrant, infallible word of your god then you would have to believe this story is accurate, that your god DID tell the Israelites to commit genocide against a neighboring ethnic group. If you believe god really did say this how do you reconcile it with the idea of God being a god of justice and love? The Christians I have spoken to about this have said the Amalekites were bad people and needed to be gotten rid of . How do you know they were all bad as a group? How do you know the infants and children deserved to die also? The above verse says to kill the children and infants too. I think the Israelites wanted to get the Amalekites out of their way and they concocted this self serving story of God ordering them to commit genocide. Any thoughts from Christians and Jews?

The Amalekites were constantly at war with the Hebrews from the time of Moses (Ex. 17:8) to Saul and David (1 Sam. 15; 27:8; 30; 2 Sam. 8:11–12). The Amalekites were not a perfect righteous people.


The Amalekites were not "gotten rid of" in any event. We believe that all children are without sin, and are recieved into the highest degree of glory in heaven. G-d sees the big picture, sees what is best for everyone.

 

[Danizar]

What do you define as "children"? Is there an age cutoff or something where one day one is an innocent child without sin, and the next he/she is sinful?

 

[Autodidact]

The Amalekites were constantly at war with the Hebrews from the time of Moses (Ex. 17:8) to Saul and David (1 Sam. 15; 27:8; 30; 2 Sam. 8:11–12). The Amalekites were not a perfect righteous people.

Neither is anyone else. Does that mean they deserved to be massacred?

The Amalekites were not "gotten rid of" in any event. We believe that all children are without sin, and are recieved into the highest degree of glory in heaven. G-d sees the big picture, sees what is best for everyone.

In that case I guess you won't mind if I kill your children then?

 

[gwk230]

Do you even know where you are? [/qoute]

I know exactly where I stand.

This isn't a religious forum, it's a forum about religion--and the lack thereof.

This coming from one who claims to hate religion.

Are you trying to accuse me of dishonesty?

No. What has you so paranoid? Where is said accusation?

 

[gwk230]

Or he can slaughter it--all up to Elohim, according to gwk. Funny how Elohim gets his people to do the dirty work for him.

If Elohim has so commanded then by all means he can. It is yet another instance where a test is set forth before the one commanded to do this or that to see if they will obey or not.

Oh, and I'm sorry you find such things as bloody death of other human beings so funny.

 

[gwk230]

In that case I guess you won't mind if I kill your children then?

You can certainly try.

 

[Autodidact]

Do you even know where you are? [/qoute]

I know exactly where I stand.

Do you know what religious forums is? You seem confused.

This coming from one who claims to hate religion.

Are you saying I don't? What is your point, if any?

No. What has you so paranoid? Where is said accusation?

"claims" implies things are other than as claimed.

btw, "said" accusation? Is that how you talk?

 

[Autodidact]

If Elohim has so commanded then by all means he can. It is yet another instance where a test is set forth before the one commanded to do this or that to see if they will obey or not.

And after all, what are a few hundred dead babies here or there?

Oh, and I'm sorry you find such things as bloody death of other human beings so funny.

I'm not the one advocating genocide here, elohim, you are.

Humor is one attempt to get you to see the absurdity of what you're advocating--that genocide and infanticide are morally defensible. Need I say how abhorrent your morals are?

 

[Autodidact]

You can certainly try.

Apparently the poster wouldn't have a problem with it. Or maybe it's only when other people's children are slaughtered that he doesn't have a problem?

 

[averageJOE]

Has anyone ever really noticed that it usually is only the atheist that ask such or argue such things?

Elohim created all things and can and will do with his own creation as he see's fit. It don't matter what we as the created think and feel. Flesh does not matter at all. There is only one thing that matters and that is if we are going to obey Elohim or not and if we will do so even under the strains and pulls of live. If all this means he killed or had killed babies then so be it. They were probably much better off than to have been raised by those that would have continually looked on them as the sons and daughters of their enemies. Again it doesn't matter. Call it whatever you want. I like the word genocide and do believe that that is exactly what was done. Elohim probably does not look at or think about those things as men do but probably looked at it as complete and utter justice by which the whole of the entire world would know that you don't mess with the one that created all things to do that which is not pleasing to his eye's.

Wow! This is one of the most absurd beliefs I've ever heard!
We don't matter. You don't matter. Life does not matter. Nothing matters. Only obeying Elohim matters! If Elohim tells you to kill your family because they are not "pleasing" to his eyes, then gosh darnit, you'd better do it!!

Ours, We, Own? I subscribe to those by which came from Yah my Elohim and do not allow what I think and feel to matter. Because it don't matter. I am but a worm. A dust bunny. Mud pie. I will obey the one who created me to the best of my ability as it is my free will to do so and yours not.

Your religion atcually got you to belive that you are a, how did you put it?, "worm", "dust bunny", and "mud pie"!! Did Elohim tell you this? Or did some guy get up on a stage and continously say this to you? And when you have children, of if you already have children, do you tell them this also? When you hold your newborn baby for the first time do you say "I love you! But that doesnt matter. In fact, you don't matter. Your life doesn't matter to me either. Only obeying Elohim matters. If he tells me to kill you one day I will. Because you are only a worm. A dust bunny. A mud pie."

 

[averageJOE]

The Amalekites were constantly at war with the Hebrews from the time of Moses (Ex. 17:8) to Saul and David (1 Sam. 15; 27:8; 30; 2 Sam. 8:11–12). The Amalekites were not a perfect righteous people.


The Amalekites were not "gotten rid of" in any event. We believe that all children are without sin, and are recieved into the highest degree of glory in heaven. G-d sees the big picture, sees what is best for everyone.

Yeah. That's exactly what Andrea Yates believed too. She really believed that "the only way to save her children from Hell was to kill them."

Well...she killed them.

 

[Kerr]

Ours, We, Own? I subscribe to those by which came from Yah my Elohim and do not allow what I think and feel to matter. Because it don't matter. I am but a worm. A dust bunny. Mud pie. I will obey the one who created me to the best of my ability as it is my free will to do so and yours not.

Just reflecting that as humans we only see the world through our own eyes. That is why I ask such things, because from my perspective those questions are important.

Says who?

Once a creator creates something with self-awareness and a consious mind they have no right to claim it as property. I have yet to see or hear any reason why this is wrong, so why shouldn´t I say so?

By what authority over the one that created all things is this so stated?

Any higher authority does not matter in this question. What is life without freedom? What gives the authority in question the right to remove it?

Man? Thats a good one. Yah Elohim on the otherhand can do whatever he wishes with what he created. Help it to flourish into a beautiful flower by giving it good soil with lots of nutirents and plenty of rain and sunshine. Or he could just wad it all up and throw in in the waste basket. His choice for he has control and power over all things that are.

That is what happens if you clone someone . You create someone. That does not give you authority to dictate their life.

 

[gwk230]

Do you know what religious forums is? You seem confused.

Are you saying I don't? What is your point, if any?

"claims" implies things are other than as claimed.

btw, "said" accusation? Is that how you talk?

Yes I do and no, I am not confused at all.


LOL, I was speaking of you in the third person. You claim to hate religion but you come to discuss it here. Its funny to me is all. Your funny to me is all.


"Claims" may be that to you but to me and many others it only means that you made the statement of something you either seen, did or believe etc. etc. etc.


LOL, is that how you type?