Genuine Question Regarding Anti-Semitism

[LuisDantas]

There is more than a slight degree of irony in seeing worries about anti-semitism expressed while the idea that several Middle Eastern populations are not human enough or civilized enough to deserve consideration.

Particularly when it happens to be the same people with both attitudes.

Ultimately, there is no constructive way of alienating people.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

very good reply , i just quote this part to ask a question about

was Nazis made their crimes by the name of Church ? or it's was independent movement from Christianity ? i mean it's was Judiasm/Christianity conflict ?

The Nazis certainly did not invent anti semitism but they certainly were the ones who systemised it.

It became a political use of pseudo science and industrial extermination.
It had nothing at all to do with the personal religion of the Nazis who tended to Subvert all religions to their own ends. but many of the leaders had no faith, or an interest with the Occult.

Religion wise they were almost as anti Islam as they were anti Judaism.
They had no love for Jews Africans or Arabs or for the smaller races like the Gypsies. They considered them all to be, to one degree or another, sub human.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

This amazes me totally...because I am 100 % sure that in Europe anti-semitism doesn't exist any more.
so....really...I don't know what makes you think it does exist.
Honestly...I don't know about the US, but in Europe there is no Anti-Semitism.
Even because there are very very few Jews here.

In 2011
39% of all Jews live in the USA
that is only 1.75% of the American population

This compares to 0.2% of the European population that are Jews.

Or the 0.5% of the British population (2% of all living Jews in the world)

Prior to the extermination by the inquisition 30,000 Jews lived in Sicily. The numbers are too low to be recorded today.

There are still 3 million less Jews in the world than there were in 1939.

 

[ChristineES]

I can't even fathom why there is anti-semitism nowadays. I still hear people say stupid things like "Jews control all the money" and things of that nature and it makes me see red. We can understand where it originally came from, but why would it still exist today? If someone is racist against another race, such as black Americans (African-Americans), it is terribly frowned upon (and a good thing, too). So why is anti-semitism still even tolerated? It shouldn't be and no other racism should be tolerated.

(I can't speak for Europe, I lived nearly always in the USA. The only time I lived in Europe was when I was in the Navy and I spent two years stationed in Naples, Italy.)

 

[Desert Snake]

I can't even fathom why there is anti-semitism nowadays. I still hear people say stupid things like "Jews control all the money" and things of that nature and it makes me see red. We can understand where it originally came from, but why would it still exist today? If someone is racist against another race, such as black Americans (African-Americans), it is terribly frowned upon (and a good thing, too). So why is anti-semitism still even tolerated? It shouldn't be and no other racism should be tolerated.

(I can't speak for Europe, I lived nearly always in the USA. The only time I lived in Europe was when I was in the Navy and I spent two years stationed in Naples, Italy.)

You were in the Navy?!

 

[icehorse]

because they tend to be successful?

 

[ChristineES]

You were in the Navy?!

Yes. From 1986-1992. I was an IC electrician, Petty Officer Third Class.

 

[columbus]

very good reply , i just quote this part to ask a question about

was Nazis made their crimes by the name of Church ? or it's was independent movement from Christianity ? i mean it's was Judiasm/Christianity conflict ?

I think that it is important to point out that virulent anti-Jewish bigotry in Christendom is not ancient history. Attitudes started changing after WWII, but many iconic Americans from Henry Ford to Charles Lindberg were publically and vehemently Anti-Jew. Adolf Hitler had a framed portrait of Ford in his office.

Part of the reason the new state of Israel got so much support was because it provided a place for Jews to go that WASN'T in Christendom.

Things are very different now. Irrational bigotry is seen for what it is, far more often than it used to be. Not gone by any means, but the people who hate Jews mostly hate everybody including blacks, gays, Catholics, liberals, etc. etc.

Tom

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

I think that it is important to point out that virulent anti-Jewish bigotry in Christendom is not ancient history. Attitudes started changing after WWII, but many iconic Americans from Henry Ford to Charles Lindberg were publically and vehemently Anti-Jew. Adolf Hitler had a framed portrait of Ford in his office.

Part of the reason the new state of Israel got so much support was because it provided a place for Jews to go that WASN'T in Christendom.

Things are very different now. Irrational bigotry is seen for what it is, far more often than it used to be. Not gone by any means, but the people who hate Jews mostly hate everybody including blacks, gays, Catholics, liberals, etc. etc.

Tom

The USA also had the largest non combatant Fascist, uniformed and armed organisation In the world, after the start of WW2.
It was not officially disbanded till the USA entered the war, though many remained active spies.
They were actively using terrorist tactics against factories and transport, to disrupt supplies to the British forces.
( A largely "Forgotten" history.)

 

[columbus]

The USA also had the largest non combatant Fascist, uniformed and armed organisation In the world, after the start of WW2.
It was not officially disbanded till the USA entered the war, though many remained active spies.
They were actively using terrorist tactics against factories and transport, to disrupt supplies to the British forces.
( A largely "Forgotten" history.)

It is easy to ignore now, but the Nazis were very popular around Christendom. Their science, law&order, keeping the wrong sorts in their places, and other attributes were seen as good things by a lot of people.

Tom

 

[beenie]

This amazes me totally...because I am 100 % sure that in Europe anti-semitism doesn't exist any more.
so....really...I don't know what makes you think it does exist.
Honestly...I don't know about the US, but in Europe there is no Anti-Semitism.
Even because there are very very few Jews here.

It was mentioned by a few in another thread, so I started one to clarify. I believe it was mentioned that Israel is flying Jews out of Europe into the safety of Israel because of persecution in Europe. I will try and find that statement, but it's pretty akin to finding a needle in a haystack.

EDIT: I have found the post I was referring to, and I have asked the member's permission to post it here; if/when I get it, I will show you from where I got my question.

 

[outhouse]

If it was my links in my old reply, please feel free. I know they stated exactly that

 

[beenie]

Here are the posts I was referring to regarding anti-semitism in Europe. Thank you, CMike and outhouse, for allowing me to post these here.

You have alluded to this several times.

There are 22 muslim states. There are numerous christian states.

There is only one small Jewish state.

Aside being the Jewish homeland, it's a safe haven for Jews.

Israel has flown Jews from Russia, and Ethopia to it's countries. Jews that are persecuted in other countries have a place to go.

There is a tremendous influx of anti-semitism in Europe now. Jews have a place to go.

There has been a great immigration from France to Israel this year because of raging anti-semitism.

Israel is a safe haven for Jews. It's where a Jew can be a Jew, without being persecuted for it.

It was posted here:

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/3965867-post19.html

As well, there is evidence of growing anti-semitism in Europe here:

This is the link outhouse posted:

Europe

It's best to recognize the problem and try and fix it then to pretend it isn't there... my question is why, and it seems I've gotten some answers, although I still think anti-semitims is despicable.

 

[outhouse]

my question is why,.

As all the links state

The trend is hatred of Jews as a powerful nation, instead of hatred towards a religions teachings.


The problem lies with islam and its inability to play nice with the world.

Islam views this as Jewish war against islam, not a fight against Islamic terrorism.

Europe today isn’t Germany in the 1930s. Hatred of the Jews isn’t being incited or even condoned by European governments

So as wrongly posted by ignorance of the topic by previous replies, we see it is not old German propaganda driving this.

Ultimately, this campaign amounts to an attack on Western democratic freedoms as a whole. If

Islamic hate due to there severe ignorance, I have been trying to address, in which so far every muslim here has tried to fight the claim let alone fix it.

In the Middle Ages, Jews were hated for their religion. In the 19th and 20th centuries, they were hated for their race. Today, they are hated for their nation state.

Context of today's islamic hatred

There are 102 nations in the world where Christians predominate, and there are 56 Islamic states. But a single Jewish state is deemed one too many. And the targets of terror in Europe are all too often not Israeli government offices but synagogues, Jewish schools and museums—places not of Israeli policy-making but of ordinary Jewish life.

Now Islamist radicals have brought them back to Europe. Whenever you hear that “Jews control the media” or “Israel targets Palestinian children,” you are hearing “The Protocols” and the blood libel yet again.

Started outside, islam only to be perverted more by islam

Anti-Semitism has always been, historically, the inability to make space for differences among people, which is the essential foundation of a free society.

 

[columbus]

The trend is hatred of Jews as a powerful nation, instead of hatred towards a religions teachings.

This is another important distinction. The word antisemitism is vague and easily equivocated. There is "antiJewish" and "antiZionist", and they are very different. When any criticism of Israel gets the same label as irrational bigotry against Jews just for being Jewish there is a problem. I think the word antisemitism should be scrapped and people say what they mean.

Tom

 

[Nakosis]

I posted a similar thread asking why anti-Semitism still exists in European countries, in pockets of the U.S., and elsewhere. In honestly appalled by it, and I would like to understand why Jews have historically been persecuted repeatedly.

The last thread got derailed with personal attacks, and that is unacceptable. Please stick to the topic, as I've had members ask to have the thread restarted so they could reply. Don't make us shut another thread down.

Why does anti-Semitism still exist and why have Jews in particular been persecuted throughout history?

Jews are see as a threat by certain groups.

A question would be I think is whether Jews have any consideration for the welfare of non-Jews?

It would be a question to ask of any group. If a Jew is more likely to go out of their way to support another Jew? So do they treat all people equally?

Does a Muslim or Christian treat all other groups equally?

If not, isn't that kind of threatening?

 

[paarsurrey]

I posted a similar thread asking why anti-Semitism still exists in European countries, in pockets of the U.S., and elsewhere. In honestly appalled by it, and I would like to understand why Jews have historically been persecuted repeatedly.

The last thread got derailed with personal attacks, and that is unacceptable. Please stick to the topic, as I've had members ask to have the thread restarted so they could reply. Don't make us shut another thread down.

Why does anti-Semitism still exist and why have Jews in particular been persecuted throughout history?

The word "Jew" is after "Judah" who never was an exemplary spiritual person v Joseph, Isaac, Abraham. When one changes/lowers oneself from the moral/spiritual to material/racial the outlook changes.

I don't support discrimination of Jews on any grounds , I am just explaining the phenomenon. Others may differ with me with reasons.

Regards

 

[columbus]

Jews are see as a threat by certain groups.

A question would be I think is whether Jews have any consideration for the welfare of non-Jews?

It would be a question to ask of any group. If a Jew is more likely to go out of their way to support another Jew? So do they treat all people equally?

Does a Muslim or Christian treat all other groups equally?

If not, isn't that kind of threatening?

I don't know of any group that large that doesn't consistently favor their own. It's human nature. But here in the USA the Jews have an unusually good track record. Check out the origins of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People.

Tom

 

[Shad]

for my opinion , the situation is become very complicated , since there is born hate against all muslims around the world .

the problem is when this hate admit by some regimes (not extrem groups) , and represent by actions on the ground .

there was/is hatre against Muslims , and Jews , Chritians ....etc

Hyperbole. There is no born hatred against all Muslims around the world. There is perhaps hatred against groups which use violence to propagate their version of Islam.

Regimes such as? If you need to go back to WW2 I have to point out many of the era's views were driven by religious thinking of some people and took time to take shape in the form of the death camps.

Again there is could be hate against some. Also you have to consider that hate is not always the word to be used. Some do not hate any group rather they do not accept views of many groups. Especially if said groups expect those not part of the group to follow their religious rules or opinions.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

A question would be I think is whether Jews have any consideration for the welfare of non-Jews?

It is more than disgusting that you would find the question meaningful, much less warranted.

(One need not look far to see clear signs of antisemitic bigotry.)​