Genuine Question Regarding Anti-Semitism

[Godobeyer]

The Bibke is the best selling book ever written and it is translated in just about every language spoken. Guess what the world is reading in the Bible? The world is reading Jewish history, their betrayal, rejection and curse.

True there are bad people everywhere. But never has a race of people earned the displeasure of God as the Jews. Even the prophets sent by God saved and cursed them at the same time.

I disagree .

I am a Muslim , and i think you are too .

most of the prophets were Jews , God curse only the killers of prophets .

so some of them were believers and some others are not .

both the Jews and Christians called People of Book .

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

But are the Jews punching at the wrong opponents? 6 million Jews were exterminated by Hitler in Europe. The Jews are creating mischief in Palestine. Their adopted home. God has scattered the Jews before, to Egypt, from Babylon, Europe. Now they are trapped on a small strip of land with the ocean at their backs. Will there be a Noah sequel?

Less than half of all Jews live in Israel Nearly as many live in the USA

 

[Nakosis]

It is more than disgusting that you would find the question meaningful, much less warranted.

(One need not look far to see clear signs of antisemitic bigotry.)​

Why?

(I think many people see what they want to see to justify their own thinking)

As another poster said this is human nature. I find the question very meaningful. Don't you think people should be treated equally regardless of their religious beliefs?

 

[outhouse]

Why do you say that!

You post garbage

I think I got my geography, history and biblical history of the Jewish people right.

Your factually in error and don't have a clue what your talking about.

The Jews are creating mischief in Palestine

Takes two to fight, and terrorist are provoking them. Right or wrong it takes two to fight.

Not one.

God has scattered the Jews before

No he did not you are clueless.

Mythology scatters no one.

to Egypt

factually never happened, it is mythology.

Will there be a Noah sequel?

never happened, 100% mythology

 

[Etritonakin]

Individually, it is passed down and promoted by many things. As they no longer had a homeland, they were also outsiders everywhere they went.

From a biblical perspective...... all of Israel (not just the house of Judah who are called "Jews", but also the house of Israel), would have been blessed if they remained faithful to God and kept their part of the covenant -but were instead cursed because they did not. This includes being scattered and persecuted wherever they went. Still, this cursing is for their eventual benefit.

Amos describes many of these things.

Amo_2:4 Thus saith the LORD; For three transgressions of Judah, and for four, I will not turn away the punishment thereof; because they have despised the law of the LORD, and have not kept his commandments, and their lies caused them to err, after the which their fathers have walked:
Amo_2:5 But I will send a fire upon Judah, and it shall devour the palaces of Jerusalem.

Amo 8:12 And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find it.

Judah was scattered and persecuted until they came to Jerusalem again....

Zec 12:6 In that day will I make the governors of Judah like an hearth of fire among the wood, and like a torch of fire in a sheaf; and they shall devour all the people round about, on the right hand and on the left: and Jerusalem shall be inhabited again in her own place, even in Jerusalem.

....after their horrible experience with the Nazis -who are the descendents of the ruling/warring class of ancient Assyria (who left Nineveh/Assyria, traveled NW to Harran and continued over time to what is now Germany). Israel also had troubles with the Assyrians in old testament times.

Isa 10:5 O Assyrian, the rod of mine anger, and the staff in their hand is mine indignation.

The house of Israel was also scattered, but they also lost their own language and identity. They are often called the lost ten tribes of Israel.

Amo 9:9 For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth.
Amo 9:10 All the sinners of my people shall die by the sword, which say, The evil shall not overtake nor prevent us.

....but they eventually came to the birthrights given to them after being sifted through the nations. Some will disagree, but those include Denmark (Danmark), Britain (brith ish -Ephraim), Australia, the United States (Manasseh), etc....

Gen 48:14 And Israel stretched out his right hand, and laid it upon Ephraim's head, who was the younger, and his left hand upon Manasseh's head, guiding his hands wittingly; for Manasseh was the firstborn.
Gen 48:15 And he blessed Joseph, and said, God, before whom my fathers Abraham and Isaac did walk, the God which fed me all my life long unto this day,
Gen 48:16 The Angel which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads; and let my name be named on them, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth.
Gen 48:17 And when Joseph saw that his father laid his right hand upon the head of Ephraim, it displeased him: and he held up his father's hand, to remove it from Ephraim's head unto Manasseh's head.
Gen 48:18 And Joseph said unto his father, Not so, my father: for this is the firstborn; put thy right hand upon his head.
Gen 48:19 And his father refused, and said, I know it, my son, I know it: he also shall become a people, and he also shall be great: but truly his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a multitude of nations.

....though more will happen before all that is written is finished -and we can still choose blessing rather than cursing to some degree by being righteous as nations and as individuals.

 

[metis]

I Am not a Muslim. I am a Vedantist raised in the Vedantic tradition, a Hindu by birth.

When you post the kind of bigoted trash that you did, you certainly ain't doing your tradition well at all. I've discussed many different issues with several Vedantists over the years, but they were not bigoted in my opinion. Matter of fact, most of them I appreciated as being truly nice people, but then I guess there's always going to be a small number who don't fit that mold.

 

[outhouse]

Vedantists .

We have had a rash of muslims posting as atheist and christians and it has been very transparent.

I would hold out on judgment of what this one actually is

 

[metis]

We have had a rash of muslims posting as atheist and christians and it has been very transparent.

I would hold out on judgment of what this one actually is

I think you & I are on the same page here as the posts seem pretty out of step with the vast majority of Hindu posters I've ever run across.

 

[Sunstone]

A question would be I think is whether Jews have any consideration for the welfare of non-Jews?

I'm not sure your question really deserves an answer, but I'll answer anyway. Both in my personal experience, and in terms of virtually everything of worth that I've read about Jews as a group, Jewish people in general have a remarkable social conscience, not just in regards to their fellow Jews, but in regards to all peoples. Even the most casual knowledge of Jewish history reveals the truth of that.

 

[paarsurrey]

It's a tangent I know, but I'd love to hear your precise definition of Islamaphobia? To me Islam is a set of ideas, and a phobia is an "irrational fear".

I think Islamaphobia is a term made up by Islamists to assist them in stamping out legitimate criticism of Islam. This is not say say that there aren't bigots, of course there are. But those should be separated from folks who make thoughtful critiques.

They are always welcome.

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

I just looked a bit into the history of the term and that doesn't appear to be its usage. However I don't deny that it is a thing currently. I am anti-Islamic to the degree in which I do not agree with Islam and I don't think it is compatible with secular society. In this way I also have similar feelings towards Christianity and other religions. However I would never force this sanction on others except in cases where real harm was being done. Simply because the injustice of trying to stamp out religion (for however noble a cause one might feel they have) would be horrific and in the end very ineffective.

Typically Islamaphobia, in a useful sense of the word, would be those who spread fear and hate on the stigma of Islam and its followers (delving into the much debated racist nature of the school of thought) out of ignorance or radicalism. Actual criticism backed by knowledge and information would not be islamaphobia. At least not by my definition.

Actual criticism backed by knowledge and information

It is welcome.

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

It's a tangent I know, but I'd love to hear your precise definition of Islamaphobia? To me Islam is a set of ideas, and a phobia is an "irrational fear".

I think Islamaphobia is a term made up by Islamists to assist them in stamping out legitimate criticism of Islam. This is not say say that there aren't bigots, of course there are. But those should be separated from folks who make thoughtful critiques.

I don't think the word "Islamophobia" was coined by Muslims.
Please quote from some etymological dictionary to prove your point.
Regards

 

[outhouse]

I don't think the word "Islamophobia" was coined by Muslims.
Please quote from some etymological dictionary to prove your point.
Regards

Mulsims spread fear among mulsims more then the west or any islamophobics.

 

[Shad]

First used in La Vie de Mohammed, Prophète d’Allah. Coined by two Muslims. However the term these days is tossed around by many and used as false allegations against even moderate criticism of Islam. It shuts down a discussion as those that use it do so when no counter-argument is proposed.

 

[Nakosis]

I'm not sure your question really deserves an answer, but I'll answer anyway. Both in my personal experience, and in terms of virtually everything of worth that I've read about Jews as a group, Jewish people in general have a remarkable social conscience, not just in regards to their fellow Jews, but in regards to all peoples. Even the most casual knowledge of Jewish history reveals the truth of that.

Not what I asked really, but I was looking more in terms of religious directive anyway.

For example Islam does imply that non-Muslims should be treated differently then Muslims.

Of course individually how a person treats another is of their own conscience. However does Judaism teach to treat non-Jews as equals to Jews?

Whether a religion teaches to treat all others as equals regardless of their religious belief always deserves an answer as far as I'm concerned.

As people are accountable for their actions, don't you think a religion should be accountable for what it teaches?

 

[columbus]

I think you & I are on the same page here as the posts seem pretty out of step with the vast majority of Hindu posters I've ever run across.

I've run into some Hindus who were sharp critics of Zionism, but never one who was an overt antiJew bigot. Never.

Tom

 

[Nakosis]

Actually I think modern antisemitism is the result of the New Testament.

It seems the Bible is often used as an excuse for antisemitism.
I don't know it that is the real reason though or just an excuse.

 

[outhouse]

Actually I think modern antisemitism is the result of the New Testament.

It seems the Bible is often used as an excuse for antisemitism.
I don't know it that is the real reason though or just an excuse.

IT has been a source for a long time. Not so much a modern as always.


Through historical ignorance, Jews have taken the blame for Jesus death, when it was a roman crime and punishment.

Jews were blamed, as this new formed sect wanted to divorce Judaism and separate itself from jews viewed by Romans as trouble makers. So these authors made Jews the bad guys since they were writing to s Roman audience.

The only one to blame is Jesus for his actions during Passover when peace was required as tensions ran high and the people were like a powder keg waiting to go off.

 

[outhouse]

Im surprised you don't think the jews being at war and invading their terrorist rocket launching muslim neighbors, had anything to do with it.

 

[Sunstone]

Not what I asked really, but I was looking more in terms of religious directive anyway.

For example Islam does imply that non-Muslims should be treated differently then Muslims.

Of course individually how a person treats another is of their own conscience. However does Judaism teach to treat non-Jews as equals to Jews?

Whether a religion teaches to treat all others as equals regardless of their religious belief always deserves an answer as far as I'm concerned.

As people are accountable for their actions, don't you think a religion should be accountable for what it teaches?

You know, it's a legitimate question whether or not Judaism teaches folks to treat non-Jews as equals, but even if Judaism did not teach people to do that, it would not thereby legitimatize antisemitism.