Genuine Question Regarding Anti-Semitism

[Poeticus]

Oh wow that sent shivers down my whole body.

What's Austria's policy on intellectually depraved [ex-]citizens? I'm sure these two ISIS members qualify for a "no-return policy", so to speak. Or is Austria infected with a bleeding heart policy (like the UK and America)? Because ... they wouldn't be welcoming home Austrian citizens, they'd be welcoming home anti-national elements.

 

[Flankerl]

What's Austria's policy on intellectually depraved [ex-]citizens? I'm sure these two ISIS members qualify for a "no-return policy", so to speak. Or is Austria infected with a bleeding heart policy (like the UK and America)? Because ... they wouldn't be welcoming home Austrian citizens, they'd be welcoming home anti-national elements.

Austria is weird. There is a fun short comic about it.

Austria is more conservative than Germany for example and right-wing ideas are more accepted but at the same time the Turks/Bosniaks have basically conquered Vienna at last.
Not sure how the government will act about the matter.

 

[CMike]

Sorry I am way behind in this thread.

This is what I posted in the original thread I wanted to add to it.

Because people need some people (group) to shift blame to.

I had several employees.

One person I treated very well IMO. He got into a fight with his girlfriend who also worked for me. They were both on a road trip in a hotel room.

The man got arrested and jailed. They were both drinking before hand.

I bailed him out of the jail. I read the police report and believed he wasn't at fault, although they both acted stupidly. I paid $1,200 for his lawyer, which he was supposed to repay me as well as the bail. He never did.

At another point as a bonus I paid for him and his hotel to have a nice room in an expensive casino/hotel. He was convinced that I only gave it to him because I got it for free. I didn't. It was an expensive room.

I learned he called me a cheap jew.

I had two or three other employees whom I learned also called me a kike and a cheap jew. This is despite being very fair and generous to all of them.
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I think it's this same jealousy that drives the hatred for Israel.

Before Israel declared it's independence in 1948 it bought worthless land from arab land owners at high prices.

Jews from all over the world came and worked the land and made it prosperous.

Arab villages could have worked with the Jews to share in this knowledge and make their own land properous. Instead they attacked.

There is a hatred when someone has something you don't. This is despite them getting it via their hard work.

When Israel left gaza it also left greenhouses that were doing very well. However, when Israel left the gazans destroyed the greenhouses simply because it came from the jews.

How rationale was that :slap:

It all comes from hatred to jealousy.

 

[LuisDantas]

What's Austria's policy on intellectually depraved [ex-]citizens? I'm sure these two ISIS members qualify for a "no-return policy", so to speak. Or is Austria infected with a bleeding heart policy (like the UK and America)? Because ... they wouldn't be welcoming home Austrian citizens, they'd be welcoming home anti-national elements.

Do you think it is somehow better to let them stay apart and nurture their hatred?

 

[LuisDantas]

Is this evidence that the least educated people breed the most ?

That is a well-known general tendency, yes.

 

[LuisDantas]

And what is sad is the bombs being dropped on them right now TODAY, are not a hint for reform to make changes that would eliminate breeding of terrorism.

Of course not. Human beings just don't work that way. If anything, the bombs reassure them that they must remain faithful and defiant.

Air bombings during WW2 did not have any helpful effect in encouraging reforms, either. Neither in Germany nor in Great Britain, nor anywhere else.

But what do you do with many uneducated people that only want to be fed? Hungry people are violent people, and they are easy to manipulate by those perverting islam.

Unfortunately, that is very true.

I think reform needs to start with education and better living conditions, which is going to take the removal of current governments. No easy task.

It may be easier than you think. But it will need a courageous renewal of mentality and abandonment of silly, bloody military efforts.

 

[Poeticus]

Do you think it is somehow better to let them stay apart and nurture their hatred?

And what---have them return and spread the very hatred that motivated them to go join ISIS? I'm all for implementing rehabilitation-related measures (just found out that they are still quite young), don't get me wrong, but it would be counterproductive to welcome back anti-national elements so readily.

 

[LuisDantas]

And what---have them return and spread the very hatred that motivated them to go join ISIS?

Among people who have the means and the opportunity to teach them better? Yes, that certainly looks like the way to go for me.

I suppose one might pray for them to die instead, or kill them directly, or just hope that they somehow fail to spread their festering hatred despite from all appearances being bound to. But I can't in good faith prefer any of those other options.

I'm all for implementing rehabilitation-related measures (just found out that they are still quite young), don't get me wrong, but it would be counterproductive to welcome back anti-national elements so readily.

No, Poeticus. I am sorry to have to disagree, but disagree I do.

By rejecting them you prove them right, at least far as their perceptions go. By a more pragmatical perspective, reneging them leaves them little choice but to carry on, and little reason to consider what little alternatives they have.

 

[roger1440]

The Bibke is the best selling book ever written and it is translated in just about every language spoken. Guess what the world is reading in the Bible? The world is reading Jewish history, their betrayal, rejection and curse.

True there are bad people everywhere. But never has a race of people earned the displeasure of God as the Jews. Even the prophets sent by God saved and cursed them at the same time.

Are you insinuating the Jews are Christ killers?

 

[LuisDantas]

Are you insinuating the Jews are Christ killers?

Don't the Gospels say that they were?

 

[roger1440]

Don't the Gospels say that they were?

Yes and no. LOL

 

[roger1440]

Don't the Gospels say that they were?

The message of the Gospels has nothing to do with condemning the Jews. Sadly, most Christians don’t know that. Anti-Semitism in the western world started from the belief the Jews were reasonable for the death of Jesus. Most of the western world is Christian. Jews are the minority. Since might makes right, Jews are fair game. Funny thing is, if the Jews didn’t kill Jesus, there would be no Christianity. You would think Christians would be more thankful.

 

[outhouse]

Don't the Gospels say that they were?

Yet it is the Romans who murdered him.


He probably asked for it.


The ancient authors had no idea how these passages they perverted would be perverted by later people.

 

[Godobeyer]

Yet it is the Romans who murdered him.


He probably asked for it.


The ancient authors had no idea how these passages they perverted would be perverted by later people.

I have comment about this ,What make you think Jesus (pbuh) probaly asked Romans to murdered him ? is not that a suicide ?


there is no single Bible verse support your claim (probably) .

 

[LuisDantas]

I have comment about this ,What make you think Jesus (pbuh) probaly asked Romans to murdered him ? is not that a suicide ?


there is no single Bible verse support your claim (probably) .

Jesus's death may be reasonably presented as a suicide, at least from a Christian perspective. A very unusual and indirect one, supposedly with the best of all conceivable goals, but a suicide no less.

The Gospels even have him telling Judas to do "what he has to do".

 

[Harikrish]

The Jews laid charges against Jesus and asked that he be crucified. Pilate could not find any Roman laws broken by Jesus. But the Jews said he had broken their religious laws by blaspheming. Even Pilates appeal was rejected.

John 18:38 "What is truth?" Pilate asked. With this he went out again to the Jews and said, "I find no basis for a charge against him. 39 But it is your custom for me to release to you one prisoner at the time of the Passover. Do you want me to release 'the king of the Jews'?" 40 They shouted back, "No, not him! Give us Barabbas!" Now Barabbas had taken part in a rebellion.


There is no doubt the Jews killed Jesus. The Romans just carried out their wishes.

 

[Flankerl]

The Romans just carried out their wishes.

Because thats what the Romans and especially the Roman Prefect of Judea were known for.

Answering the wishes of the subjugated people.


And a few years later the Romans killed millions of Jews. Because thats benevolent.

 

[Harikrish]

Because thats what the Romans and especially the Roman Prefect of Judea were known for.

Answering the wishes of the subjugated people.


And a few years later the Romans killed millions of Jews. Because thats benevolent.

It is hard to respect the people who ask their God to be crucified. The Romans did the Jews bidding by crucifying Jesus and then their Gods bidding by punishing the Jews. Then all that was left was the religion which to took and made it their state religion. Divide, conquer and to the winners go the spoils. Christianity is based on deception, Roman deception.

 

[Sunstone]

The Jews laid charges against Jesus and asked that he be crucified. Pilate could not find any Roman laws broken by Jesus. But the Jews said he had broken their religious laws by blaspheming. Even Pilates appeal was rejected.

John 18:38 "What is truth?" Pilate asked. With this he went out again to the Jews and said, "I find no basis for a charge against him. 39 But it is your custom for me to release to you one prisoner at the time of the Passover. Do you want me to release 'the king of the Jews'?" 40 They shouted back, "No, not him! Give us Barabbas!" Now Barabbas had taken part in a rebellion.


There is no doubt the Jews killed Jesus. The Romans just carried out their wishes.

That's a rather naive reading of a Biblical account. No one is further from being a Biblical scholar than me, and even I know your reading of it is naive.

 

[Flankerl]

You cant crucify non-corporal beings.
Thats what Pompey(the great) and the Romans in general freaked them out about us in the first place.

But hey you wouldnt understand that.