Even Jesus told his disciples not to go to the Gentiles. Jesus was a racist.
Matthew 19:5 These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: "Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans.
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Genuine Question Regarding Anti-Semitism
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Even Jesus told his disciples not to go to the Gentiles. Jesus was a racist.
Matthew 19:5 These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: "Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans.
Flankerl
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Three thousand years ago the ancestors of modern Jews were worse than most Muslims. As bad as ISIS.
But that was then. This is now.
The reason there are still Palestinian people in Palestine is because the Zionists are morally superior to the Muslims in the area. If the Zionists adopted Muslim attitudes towards the situation, WB and Gaza would be empty in a month.
Tom
Fine, that may be part of it, since they have been favored by G-d, but you discount the devil's own designs upon them. (think holocaust)
And what are Jews doing in modern times that you consider so sinful? What, again, is this charge of racism?
What on earth does this mean?
WHAT?
I know, this is truly pathetic.
CMike
Well-Known Member
Give what back exactly?
roger1440
I do stuff
Can you go into a little more detail please? You took 2000 years of history and put it into a few short sentences. It would take more sentences just to tell you what I did today. Trust me, I didn't do much at all today.
Well, someone in this thread knows history. Unfortunately, it's not you.
xkatz
Well-Known Member
I can't tell if your being a poe/sarcastic or not...
But if you aren't, I should congratulate you on making one of the most idiotic statements I have EVER seen on RF!
How does a government officially transfer a religion and it's doctrines and praxis to a different group of people/institution? I don't even...
Anti-frubals for you sir. :tsk:
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Do we know whether they were actually insensitive?
I don't think the actuality matters as much as the perception which is not too hard to create against a minority group that is easily identified. The Ashkenazim were in the wrong place at the wrong time.
I'm sure there were other Germans who benefited from the economy.
Jews were also seen as the cause of Germany losing WW1. Not historically relevant but again a perception since 1919.
Jews were seen as a powerful conspiracy and betrayers.
Perhaps this perception still lingers.
I don't think God and religion have much to do with it other then in helping to identify Jews as outsiders.
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paarsurrey
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Flankerl
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paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Sorry for the mistake.
I thought Outhouse is our only resident historian.
I stand corrected.
Thanks for correcting me.
Regards
gsa
Well-Known Member
I don't know if I would go so far as to compare them to takfiris; their analogues in the past (Kharijites) and in other religions seem to be the exception rather than the rule. By this I do not refer to fundamentalism or application or use of the death penalty to police religious doctrine, but rather the relatively pervasive and extrajudicial use of violence to accomplish those ends. But yes, they were pretty zealous in their religious outlook, no question.
However, I don't think that there is any moral superiority in Zionism per se. Zionism is pretty diverse; there are Zionists who compare Palestinians to Amalekites with all that implies. The call to murder Palestinian civilians to prevent the emergence of "little snakes" has clear parallels in the Jewish interpretation of Amalek, including the Sefer Hamitzvos ("[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica][SIZE=-1]Because Amalek was the first nation to doubt HaShem's power, we are commanded to destroy it entirely.").[/SIZE][/FONT] There are of course symbolic or allegorical interpretations as well as literal ones, as there is with the concept of "jihad" or similar Christian concepts. But when a right wing Israeli politician like Bibi calls an opponent a modern version of Amalek comparable to Nazism, that will be interpreted in a certain way, in my view not in any way that is laudable.
My point here is not to indict Judaism and absolve Islam, but to point out that there is really no reason to believe Zionism is entitled to any claim of moral superiority. After all, if Muslims universally favored expulsion, as is suggested by the above quote, the Persian Jewish community would not have survived as long as it has, however diminished it has been as a result of migration to Israel. And Israel's Zionist progenitors did expel Palestinians; this point is no longer controversial in Israel, but justified even by many liberal Zionists (such as Ari Shavit, in his recent book and as described in the New Yorker article addressing the massacre at Lydda). These were not random events, either; while Benny Morris denies that there was any master Plan Dalet in place, he does concede that pre-1948 transfer thinking...readied hearts and minds in the Jewish community [in Israel] for the denouement of 1948." Moreover, there were expulsion orders,including by [SIZE=-1]Yitzhak Rabin.
Hamas is awful, don't get me wrong; Islamists are not my cup of tea, whether inspired by the Brotherhood or the more moderate variant of the Justice and Development Party. But neither Zionism nor Islamism nor Arab nationalism can claim moral superiority given the historical record. [/SIZE]
Don't get me wrong either, I am no Zionist.
You are making this much more complicated than I am.
If the IDF did what Israel's neighbors have done repeatedly, there would be no Hamas. The Arabic Muslim neighbors of Israel have repeatedly thrown their entire military might against Israel with the stated goal of obliterating the country. If the IDF did the same thing, there would be no Palestinians left. The remainder would all be Jordanian, Lebanese, Egyptian, Syrian, or something.
The Israelis could drive them all out, if they decided to do that. But they haven't. The Arabic Muslims have decided to drive all the Zionists out.
They failed, miserably, but
Tom
ginaleanne
Member
I don't like that they dominate the media. I don't consider my self a racist but I don't trust the media because its too easy for a group to promote their agenda then it is for an individual. I also think most everything on tv and the news is lies or mindless crap. So I tend to associate Jews with media and I don't like the media. If that makes me a bad person, so be it.
Today, seven Jewish Americans run the vast majority of US television networks, the printed press, the Hollywood movie industry, the book publishing industry, and the recording industry. Most of these industries are bundled into huge media conglomerates run by the following seven individuals:
Gerald Levin, CEO and Director of AOL Time Warner
Michael Eisner, Chairman and CEO of the Walt Disney Company
Edgar Bronfman, Sr., Chairman of Seagram Company Ltd
Edgar Bronfman, Jr, President and CEO of Seagram Company Ltd and head of Universal Studios
Sumner Redstone, Chairman and CEO of Viacom, Inc
Dennis Dammerman, Vice Chairman of General Electric
Peter Chernin, President and Co-COO of News Corporation Limited
Those seven Jewish men collectively control ABC, NBC, CBS, the Turner Broadcasting System, CNN, MTV, Universal Studios, MCA Records, Geffen Records, DGC Records, GRP Records, Rising Tide Records, Curb/Universal Records, and Interscope Records.
Pink Top Hat
Active Member
Don't get me wrong either, I am no Zionist.
You are making this much more complicated than I am.
If the IDF did what Israel's neighbors have done repeatedly, there would be no Hamas. The Arabic Muslim neighbors of Israel have repeatedly thrown their entire military might against Israel with the stated goal of obliterating the country. If the IDF did the same thing, there would be no Palestinians left. The remainder would all be Jordanian, Lebanese, Egyptian, Syrian, or something.
The Israelis could drive them all out, if they decided to do that. But they haven't. The Arabic Muslims have decided to drive all the Zionists out.
They failed, miserably, but
Tom
Israel created Hamas. They created it to fight the PLO just as the Americans created AQ and used Bin Laden to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan, just as the Americans financed and armed the FSA in Syria that morphed into Daesh. Result is the out of control Frankensteins we see now.
IF it were not for the Israeli's and Golda Meir crying down the phone to the Americans to send them weapons Israel would not exist now. They exist because of the Americans. You see how only the American veto is used to stop anything in the UN. BUT the world is waking up and entering a very dangerous phase because the Israelis know their time is running out and soon their only host will stop feeding the parasite and then we will see if the Israelis will launch their threat and use the Samson Option. I think they will. They are that insane. If they think their empire is going to go down they will take the rest of us down with them in a nuclear war. That is how they bribe the world. Thats the weapon they use now. Cunning aren't they. You have to give them credit for that at least.
Pink Top Hat
Active Member
oh dear
the hasbara machine will be in full flow in a minute :facepalming: all over the place
They will try to deny this fact you quoted. Or try to change the direction by making insults to you.
Fact remains that Jews own the world media and there's no getting away from that FACT. They are cunning as I said and use it to spread their propaganda and sad faces on our TV screens when children are throwing stones at them in Gaza.
RabbiO
הרב יונה בן זכריה
You are one out of touch and misinformed lady.
You seem to be totally oblivious to the fact that Edgar Bronfman, Sr. is dead. You seem to be totally oblivious to the fact that Dennis Dammerman is dead. You seem to totally unaware that Michael Eisner has not been the chairman of Disney for almost 10 years. AOL Time Warner, it doesn't exist anymore, hasn't for some time. Gerald Levin? Do you really want to know how long its been since he worked for Time Warner? As for Edgar Bronfman, Jr., you don't seem to understand that Seagram's no longer owns Universal.