Danmac
Well-Known Member
People tend to want revenge more for their personal losses than for the losses of others.
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People tend to want revenge more for their personal losses than for the losses of others.
Your system of checks and balances isn't working.
When a person has no right to habeas corpus, he can't challenge the legality of his detention.
Personally, I think they were lucky to succeed with the WTC, and pretty much wanted to cause the misaimed and out-of-proportion reation that GWB gave them.
You are aware that occupying Iraq in no way avenged or discouraged the terrorists who attacked the Towers, aren't you?
Danmac
Well-Known Member
Like Bush said, it is our freedom that is appalling to them. Anything that takes away freedom should be fought against. al-queda doesn't want freedom for its followers, it wants submission.
The policies of the American government with regard to the people that ended up at GITMO take away freedom.
Rainbow Mage
Lib Democrat/Agnostic/Epicurean-ish/Buddhist-ish
You can justify any evil with this thinking, and that's exactly what you're attempting to do.
Danmac
Well-Known Member
Agreed. But Homeland security, and Afghanistan were necessary moves that Bush made.
Danmac
Well-Known Member
It is not the system that is bad, it is the corruption of both parties
Danmac
Well-Known Member
War is sometimes a necessary step to obtaining, and securing freedom. That is a fact of history.
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angellous_evangellous
Guest
sandandfoam
Veteran Member
It's also the excuse Stalin used when he invaded Poland.
In securing your freedom GWB has reduced it, tarnished it and put many many innocent people into the ground. He has instigated unaccountable secret service behaviour worthy of the Gestapo and he has recruited hundreds of thousands of minds for the enemies of your country.
Seems like he has failed miserably.
As a bonus his policies have made the world a poorer, more unstable and dangerous place for the rest of us. Brilliant.
You give Al Qaeda a lot of credit, not to mention seeing them in Saddam-ruled Iraq, where they simply were not present. Saddam and Al Qaeda hated the guts of each other.
One can only wonder why so many civilians died in a country that welcomed the US troops so gladly...
Which failed to avoid GWB's excesses.
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angellous_evangellous
Guest
It was all candy and sunshine until we destroyed the entire infrastructure.
And then paid billions to rebuild a crappy one.
tumbleweed41
Resident Liberal Hippie
No argument there.
That does not let Bush of the hook.
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angellous_evangellous
Guest
Um, Obama got all the combat troops out of Iraq and closing Gitmo is a wicked mess.
Danmac
Well-Known Member
You ignore islams worldwide threat of terrorism, and distract us with Bush. How blind
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angellous_evangellous
Guest
The only reason for this is that terrorists have access to planes, trains, and automobiles. They are a mobile threat, which is why it's insane to destroy countries, murder and torture hundreds of thousands of innocents, and restrict the liberties of free citizens in the name of killing them.