Getting away with murder.

[Storm]

I don't pretend to know. I do know that I wouldn't want a trial by public opinion.

 

[Father Heathen]

One stupid lawyer doesn't make the entire judicial system bad.

No, a whole lot of stupid lawyers, judges and jurors make the entire judicial system bad.

 

[Father Heathen]

I don't pretend to know. I do know that I wouldn't want a trial by public opinion.

Isn't that essentially what a "jury of one's peers" is?

 

[Storm]

Isn't that essentially what a "jury of one's peers" is?

Nope. They have rules, and all the relevant info. The public has mass speculation.

Take OJ. I think he did it. I thought he did it from the beginning. I also think, once it came out that they tampered with evidence, there was no choice but to acquit him.

 

[Skwim]

Isn't that essentially what a "jury of one's peers" is?

But a jury isn't made up of the public at large, but of those citizens who have been selected according to certain standards and subject to challenges by both sides.

 

[Revoltingest]

Isn't that essentially what a "jury of one's peers" is?

As far as I know, that standard isn't even in the Constitution.

The 6th Amendment:
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.[

 

[ChristineES]

I think people are really passionate about this case because it involved the murder of a small, innocent child. People seem to have an innate quality that makes them want to protect little children and punish those who they believe harmed or killed a small child. All those pictures of Caylee were plastered all over the place. Even if you didn't follow the case, you couldn't help but see them at least once. We just wished that Caylee could have had some justice in death.

 

[Warren Clark]

No, a whole lot of stupid lawyers, judges and jurors make the entire judicial system bad.

What judge in your opinion is "bad".
Jurors are selected randomly and are made of regular citizens.
The lawyers are the ones that pick and choose their battles and it is up to them to make the right call.
The judge is really only a mediator/referee and then sentences the case based on the juror's poll.

 

[Warren Clark]

In all honesty I don't think she "murdered" her daughter.
I believe that she neglected her grossly to the point that she was able to drown in the pool.
In the matter of anxiety and fear she hid the body and convinced herself to forget about it by continuous partying and drug use.

 

[Amill]

What evidence was there that she drowned? It sounded like they couldn't really determine how the kid died.

 

[Warren Clark]

What evidence was there that she drowned? It sounded like they couldn't really determine how the kid died.

The exact cause of death is unknown but drowning was not ruled out.
They tried saying that Chloroform was used because it was searched for on the home computer. They had no other evidence.


They charged her for 1st degree murder, Aggravated Manslaughter, Aggravated Child Abuse.

I personally would have left it at Manslaughter and Gross Neglence and put her a way for a few years on that. She wouldve got up to 25 yrs hands down.

 

[Acim]

I'm curious as to why the jury didn't think the evidence was solid enough. Was it the child herself who researched chloroform on the internet,

No, we are not certain who did this. It seems likely Casey was the one. But there was conflicting testimony around this, not the least of which was prosecution making ridiculous claim that the term was searched 84 times. That it was searched, does not make for a murder.

crawled into a trash bag and used it on herself, and during her last moment of consciousness placed the tape over her own mouth while lying in the trunk of the car, only for the corpse to later pop out and land in a wooded area on its own?

Unlikely the child did this to herself. I would say not possible. But also not much in terms of reason to suggest, without (reasonable) doubt that Casey did all this. Given the evidence and how it turned up, I can't help but think someone like George is the person who would have means and capacity to carry out this aspect of disposing of the body. Yet, it would be rather preposterous for prosecutor of Casey trial to go after George. And I think George has done exceptional job in covering tracks of the crime. Now, can I 'prove' all this? Pretty sure no, and feeling confident that investigators explored this avenue and also found nothing substantial to warrant prosecution in this direction. While Casey's lying handed the investigators and prosecution a case on a silver platter. IMO, this is part of elaborate coverup by the one who orchestrated things from moment Caylee was no longer alive.

Who does the jury think is responsible for that if not mommy?

I believe the jury would say either the family (as a whole) or various members of the family. That gross negligence is shared, even while there is a prime suspect as there is in most cases. I'm guessing some of the jury think Casey is prime suspect but the evidence isn't there to overcome reasonable doubt.

I'm also curious how the jury would also explain why exactly Casey, if innocent, wouldn't report the disappearance of her own child until a whole month after she went missing, and spent her time partying during that period, and also why she would lie to investigators if she were innocent?

Not sure how jury would explain this, but if you think of George (ex-cop) as in charge of things, I think it makes sense why Casey acts the way she does. She's either delusional (and thus not capable of essentially pulling off the perfect crime), very cunning, and able to fool investigators all on her own, or someone with means and capability was involved who knew exactly how to cover tracks (manipulate evidence) and how players involved (family, especially Casey) are to act from point of death on. A plan is put into place which has to lead investigators into several directions, all of which have kernels of evidence, but when pieced together by solid defense team, can (rather easily) lead to reasonable doubt, and inability to convict a single primary suspect. Unless confessions are involved.

What puzzle pieces were missing that caused doubt in their the eyes of the jury?

It puzzles all looking on, and I'm sure investigators and prosecution are frustrated the most. I don't think the conspiracy theory I've come up with is only way to look at this and still feel willing to look at the whole thing as Casey did it (alone) or Casey wasn't involved and was framed essentially by one person. But we do know that just about every member in the Anthony family lied either to investigators or while on the stand. And you have to give Casey a lot of credit as a cunning criminal to pull something like this off by herself, such that evidence would be sparse or incredibly misleading.

The family conspiracy theory doesn't answer what was done, why it was done, and who is primary suspect (although I am saying it likely is George).

What I don't get is why we, public at large, see need for justice being done in form of 'someone has to be punished.' I started up side thread to discuss just this. It is like we assume Caylee was murdered, and are convinced that is absolutely wrong, while some of us are convinced that it would be absolutely right for Caylee's murderer to be killed. If that does make things "right" for you, then I believe I could make case that Caylee's murderer (assuming she was killed) was right, based on same logic. Admittedly, we'd have to detour into guilt and innocence, but I'm prepared for that. If Caylee was murdered, and that person is in Anthony family, I hardly think they got away with it, given how things played out. We also don't know how things will play out, even with assumption of society doing nothing in terms of governmental punishment or mob mentality punishment. There is no way I would desire to experience 'life as a member of Anthony family' from moment Caylee passed up to now, and in foreseeable future. If that is "getting away with it," then I'd rather be in jail. In fact, I truly think jail would be better place for about 4 months for Casey than walking around within society that seems likely to exercise vigilante justice and deem that righteous.

 

[Warren Clark]

I'm curious as to why the jury didn't think the evidence was solid enough. Was it the child herself who researched chloroform on the internet, crawled into a trash bag and used it on herself, and during her last moment of consciousness placed the tape over her own mouth while lying in the trunk of the car, only for the corpse to later pop out and land in a wooded area on its own? Who does the jury think is responsible for that if not mommy? I'm also curious how the jury would also explain why exactly Casey, if innocent, wouldn't report the disappearance of her own child until a whole month after she went missing, and spent her time partying during that period, and also why she would lie to investigators if she were innocent? What puzzle pieces were missing that caused doubt in their the eyes of the jury?

No... there was only enough evidence to convict her of neglegent homocide but the dumb prosecutor went and tried to pin 1st degree murder for. So they lost their shot.

 

[Jensen]

She got away with it because she wasn't charged for it (the lawyer's fault). She was charged for lying to the investigators and we will find out if she will get the maximum sentence of 4 yrs.
If so then she only has one more year to serve in jail.

You cannot charge someone for gross neglegence and 1st degree murder.
Its the same as charging someone for 1st and 2nd degree murder. It cannot be done.

Yes, one can be charged for several things at the same time for the same crime, look up what she was actually charged for,it was several things, not just 1st degree murder.

 

[Jensen]

So people are supposed to be indifferent apathetic when someone murders their own child and gets away with it? Really? And on what do you base the claim that killing her would be "wrong"?

Well, if it was wrong for her to kill her child, if she actually did, then it is wrong to kill her. If it is wrong for one person it is wrong for all.

 

[Jensen]

I'm curious as to why the jury didn't think the evidence was solid enough. Was it the child herself who researched chloroform on the internet, crawled into a trash bag and used it on herself, and during her last moment of consciousness placed the tape over her own mouth while lying in the trunk of the car, only for the corpse to later pop out and land in a wooded area on its own? Who does the jury think is responsible for that if not mommy? I'm also curious how the jury would also explain why exactly Casey, if innocent, wouldn't report the disappearance of her own child until a whole month after she went missing, and spent her time partying during that period, and also why she would lie to investigators if she were innocent? What puzzle pieces were missing that caused doubt in their the eyes of the jury?

Casey Anthony and her child were living with her parents, so it could have been any one of them. Don't you think it odd that with Casey and Caylee living with them that her parents also, went all the time before one of them reported the child missing? They didn't report it for several weeks, either. Her parents lied also, including on the stand. I'd like to see them charged for that, also.

 

[Darkness]

So people are supposed to be indifferent apathetic when someone murders their own child and gets away with it? Really? And on what do you base the claim that killing her would be "wrong"?

Based on the fact that nobody really knows what happened. Gross negligence makes Casey a terrible person, but it is not the same as being a cold blooded murderer. Wishing for somebody's death who may not be so bad is foolish. I am sure everyone who spouts their mouth off is not an expert on the case to the same extent that the jurors were. If people want to be fair, then they should call for the death of the Casey's mom and dad as well, but they do not, oddly enough.

 

[Warren Clark]

Yes, one can be charged for several things at the same time for the same crime, look up what she was actually charged for,it was several things, not just 1st degree murder.

I mean you cannot charge someone for 1st AND 2nd Degree Murder. Its either or.

 

[Acim]

I think you mean they cannot convict for 1st and 2nd degree murder.

 

[Poisonshady313]

I mean you cannot charge someone for 1st AND 2nd Degree Murder. Its either or.

There were 7 charges against her. She was found guilty of four of them (four counts of lying to law enforcement)

The other three were:

first degree murder, aggravated manslaughter of a child, and aggravated child abuse.