Girl, 6, Handcuffed in school because of temper tantrum.

[DallasApple]

Ideally, the parents should be consulted but when they have a demonstrated track record for not attending meetings, the officials involved should force the issue and take it out of their hands. This should be understood to be a radical move, under special circumstances.

And this was what I was trying to express as well.The little girl was having what sounds like an "acute" episode that needed immediate attention.And we cant forget she acted similar the day before and the parents dropped her back off at school the next day and went to work.

Ya know it reaches a point where the focus and priority has to be "my little girl needs help".Not "well thats how 6 year olds act" ..when your 6 year old child has to be kept in the principles office (ever) let alone more than once.

I said this earlier and I'll say it again.Its NOT easy to "admit' your child has behavioral issues especailly to this extreme and that MAYBE you have something to do with it maybe you dont.

There is a stigma attached but as I said thats too bad.The goal should be to help her become better able to function and cope even if you have to swallow a little pride.

Love

Dallas

 

[DallasApple]

The school never called the kids parents.

Handcuffs are not designed to be used in such a manner.
Anyone who has ever been in cuffs can tell you the way they used them can indeed cause injury to a young child.

I wish they`d do something like this to my kid.

The lawsuit would be a no brainer and she`d have less trouble understanding why I tell her the police are not her friends.

The mother was quoted in the aritcle she had an appointment she missed due to "car trouble" ...If the school never called the parents what was the appointment for then?

And what do you mean you 'wish they'd do something like this to your kid"?

Well maybe next time your child throws a violent fit and assaults the principle they will and you can have a great law suit on your hands.

And the police arent your friends thats right.Its not 911 dial a friend.Its 911 come help me.

Love

Dallas

 

[linwood]

From the original article...

Haley's parents said their daughter has a temper problem, but has no history of mental illness. Her mother said the school should have called her so she could pick up her daughter rather than have her committed.

Committing a child without even calling the parent is a sign the officials in charge are well..incompetent.

The report also said the school has contacted Haley's parents several times about setting up a meeting to discuss her behavior, but they have never shown up.

In the state of Florida I myself have gotten copies of minutes of meetings concerning my children implying that I should have been at said meeting .

I have never been called or notified of any of these meetings yet they continue to say I was.
The only time I am notified is when they want to keep me from removing my child from their public school.
In other words, only when it impacts their funding and test averages.

Well maybe next time your child throws a violent fit and assaults the principle they will and you can have a great law suit on your hands.

If it`s handled by the same idiots who handled this one I`m sure I will.

And the police arent your friends thats right.Its not 911 dial a friend.Its 911 come help me.

I personally know a half dozen women who are the victims of police rape.
"I`m gonna have to take you in unless you start sucking honey".

My 911 system is a joke.
Two weeks ago a man was reported lying on the side of a road by a passerby.
The location couldn`t be given by address as it was the side of the road so the 911 worker simply ignored the call and never notified anyone.
The caller gave directions that the news crew he later called were able to follow well enough to find the now dead body of the man on the side of the road.
Denise Lee in North Port dies because of the incompetence of the 911 system
Murdered woman’s husband: 911 botched call - TODAY People

Our local drug task force has been dis banned after it was evidenced they were framing innocent people taking their children away and incarcerating them for years.
Once the illegal framing of one mother was established and she was released from prison and reunited with her now 4 years older child who had been in foster care for those 4 years she was sent a bill from the state for the 4 years of child care she received.

The police chief was just 2 months ago on paid leave for trying to buy off a victim of his cops brutality with $400.00.

He was of course acquitted although he was proven guilty.
Go figure.

So considering the largest threat to my well being in my community is and always has been the police I`ll continue to educate my children to avoid them at all costs.

 

[DallasApple]

"I was terrified," mother Kathy Franklin said. "I left work crying, terrified. Where is my baby? What are they doing with my baby?"

How did this happen if the mother wasnt notified?

Love

Dallas

 

[DallasApple]

Franklin said she was supposed to meet with school officials Tuesday but had to cancel because she had car problems.

have never been called or notified of any of these meetings yet they continue to say I was.

Love

Dallas

 

[DallasApple]

I personally know a half dozen women who are the victims of police rape.
"I`m gonna have to take you in unless you start sucking honey".

N one said there arent corrupt cops..

But what is your point exactly?

Love

Dallas

 

[DallasApple]

In the state of Florida I myself have gotten copies of minutes of meetings concerning my children implying that I should have been at said meeting .

I have never been called or notified of any of these meetings yet they continue to say I was.

What does that have to do with the FACT this mother admits she WAS scheduled for a meeting and MISSED it due to "car problems"?

She didnt say she was notified of a meeting after the fact..She said her CAR broke down.

And Im sorry you have the experience you have had with secret meetings going on about your child that you were never notified of.

Not so in Texas.Not where I live.The only time they could have a meeting without me involved was if I was invited and declined.

I have had 3 children in Texas schools so far over a span of 21 years and counting.I am notified and invited to regular meetings regarding my children and have been to over 100 of them to be modest.

Two of my children have been in special needs programs and I was NOT excluded and not only that I was intsrumental in getting the ball rolling and required to attend meetings unless I gave permission for the meeting to carry on without me .

So I dont know what kind of hick town you live in but in my town not only are parents notified the teachers and principles are DELIGHTED to have attending and involved parents and they are discouraged if the parents are "too busy".

I dont know what kind of Nazzi school system you have your daughter in that has secret meetings behind your back and then lies and says you were notified but I would move if I was you.

Love

Dallas

 

[dust1n]

And this was what I was trying to express as well.The little girl was having what sounds like an "acute" episode that needed immediate attention.And we cant forget she acted similar the day before and the parents dropped her back off at school the next day and went to work.

Ya know it reaches a point where the focus and priority has to be "my little girl needs help".Not "well thats how 6 year olds act" ..when your 6 year old child has to be kept in the principles office (ever) let alone more than once.

I said this earlier and I'll say it again.Its NOT easy to "admit' your child has behavioral issues especailly to this extreme and that MAYBE you have something to do with it maybe you dont.

There is a stigma attached but as I said thats too bad.The goal should be to help her become better able to function and cope even if you have to swallow a little pride.

Love

Dallas

Under your standards, we should have all been have taken away from the custody of parents and under the authority of the state.

Of course they brought their child to school the next day. It's illegal to deny your child education, regardless of the circumstance, and car problems lead to all sorts of complications either way.

I agree there is a stigma, but 'help' isn't handcuffing a child, nor is it transporting a child to a mental ward.

 

[DallasApple]

Under your standards, we should have all been have taken away from the custody of parents and under the authority of the state.

No we shouldnt.Maybe you should have but I sure as hell shouldnt.I wasn't having mental nervous breakdowns at school when I was 6 years old that my parents failed to address and just keep sendng me back to school for the school staff to deal with.

Of course they brought their child to school the next day. It's illegal to deny your child education, regardless of the circumstance,

Its NOT denying your child an education if you keep them home for an illness.How is that any more denying her an education than sending her to school to be kept in the principles office because she is having a meltdown and calling the parents to come pick her up?

Whatever is wrong with her that the parents had neglected to have addressed is what is denying her an education.

I dont know what you consider to be an education but IMHO it isnt just being dropped off at school no matter "what the circumstances".

As a matter of fact I would have used that word to speak to the principle.I would have said "in light of the circumstances I feel my daughter should stay home today and I would like to have an emergency meeting as soon as possible to go over what options we have for her".

I highly doubt since the authorities themselves believed she needed to be examined at a mental health clinic they would have thrown the mother in jail for keeping her home temporarliy until they came up with a plan.

When you are dropping your child off at school and she comes home in a police car one day ..and the next day you pick her up from a mental institution she isnt very likely to be getting the education she deserves.

Neither will she if they had to eventally suspend her or expel her .

Love

Dallas

 

[DallasApple]

I agree there is a stigma, but 'help' isn't handcuffing a child, nor is it transporting a child to a mental ward.

People keep going on about the handcuffs..HOW in the WORLD do you suggest controlling a child that is kicking and punching people and throwing objects across the room and no amount of trying to verbally calm her are having any affect?

If you are willing to stand there with your hands to the side and not touch a 6 year old who is kicking you and hitting you and running through your place of employment or residence smashing your belongings until they wear themselves out even if this behavior goes on for an hour then go for it.

As a teacher or a principle at a school I have just as much right to bodily safety as the children do.

I dont know if you are married or not or have children..But if not when or if you do I want just for one example of what was going on here you to stand there and let your pregnant wife be struck by a kicking and punching wild out of control 6 year old and do nothing but "call the childs parents" and no matter how long it goes on keep your hands off the child.

Love

Dallas

 

[Mr Cheese]

The father looks like a cross between Jimmy Kimmel and a red neck that mated with James Belushi....

He looks so smart...

 

[MysticSang'ha]

I stand by my opinion earlier that the administration aren't to blame for anything criminal. However, I do see handcuffs as being excessive. I would prefer not to see my autistic son handcuffed.

That being said, as inappropriately as I think those in charge acted, I wouldn't press charges. They did the best they felt at the time. At that point, though, it would be time to get to the bottom of what was causing the violent meltdowns.

 

[DallasApple]

They did the best they felt at the time.

This is exactly what I was thinking.As well as if they had not used hancuffs they would have had to have used some other kind of restraint or isolation technique .

To the ones that are saying "how much harm could she do" to that I say quite a bit if she was in a frenzy that went on for according to the accounts I read an hour.Harm to herself..harm to others..and destruction of property..

I dont care if she is ony 6 or only weighs 37lbs.You put a child that age and weight in a room with another person that also has many objects in it that arent nailed down that is hell mad and determined to hurt you and tear the place up they are perfectly capable.Hell a child much younger than that and smaller can do damage if they are determined enough.

It doesnt sound like she had a moment of anger or loss of control .And for punishment they hand cuffed her.

It doesnt sound like a "time out" was going to work unless they tied her to the time out chair.

Love

Dallas

 

[DallasApple]

Also to go on and on ..LOL!!..I read where the little girl was upset because she gets teased.She said they call her "spitter" because apparently she has some sort of speech impedement that she spits when she talks.

That may not be all thats wrong but I would take that as a serious issue.Part of my oldest sons behavioral issues were from being teased and taunted ongoingly because he was "fat".If its bad enough it can be the WHOLE root of the problem..At the very least it can be a major trigger to an already sensitive child or a child that has a coping issues.

But just as the other children have the right to not have their day disrupted or be in physical harms way from her..She and ALL children have the right to attend school and be protected from mental and emotional abuse from children who can be cruel with their words.

It reaches a point if you are being chronically teased its like torture.And if no one is doing anythign about it or trying to help you and just blowing it off as "thats just how kids are" and you are the target eventually you just might blow.

I learned to put my foot down at the first sign that my kids were the target of one or more children big mouthed bullies.And I went to the top ..Not the teachers..I went to the principle and I had names to give them and I told them I expected them to intruct the teachers to listen to my child if they reported they were on the recieving end of cruel or vulgar remarks by another student.And I expected some sort of displinary action if this happened.Not the "well kids need to work it out on thier own".

I also let my children know I would NOT tolerate them behaving in that manner to another child.That they would pay if I found out they were teasing and taunting another child.

ZERO tolerance for BULLIES!!!!

Love

Dallas

 

[DallasApple]

One time..at band camp...LOL!!!!

I got really mad..my youngest son became the target in early grade school like maybe 2nd grade.I told him to report to the teacher do not engage with the child which he did as I said..as well as I sent the teacher notes...It kept happening.Not for long though..It was a boy in his homeroom class.I knew his name.So one morning I went to school with my son and into the classroom before the bell rang and asked my son "where is he" ..he pointed him out ..

So I announced in a loud voice (not screaming just loud enough to cover the bussle) Mrs.Clever(teachers name ) and as I pointed straight at the child I said "That child "Johhny Brown is calling my child VULGAR names on a regular basis and I want it to STOP".What do I have to do ????

Well of course you could have heard a pin drop..The boys face turned white as a sheet..then red..The teacher looked at me like I was insane but I didnt care... and she adressed the problem and the boy stopped harrasing my child.Im sure he found another target but he left my son alone.

Love

Dallas

 

[MysticSang'ha]

You have a lot to say about the subject, don't you, Lana?

My kids have overall experienced the range of bullying in school, and I have found myself in various positions as their mom having to work things out with the school. Some things worked, some things didn't. Meh. The "zero tolerance" also applies to kids who fight back against bullies.....this is where I was called in.

I feel compelled to share a recent story (you do that to me, Lana, LOL). One of our kids was teasing another kid. The other kid was really sensitive to the teasing, and eventually decked our kid. I was called in to talk about it with everyone involved, and both our kid and the other child was disciplined.

I told the school that I didn't agree with their decision. I felt that only our child should have been disciplined, but.....there you go.

Anyhoo, it was only after we grounded our son for a week when the behavior stopped.

Now, back to our regular programming. Temper tantrums in school and the handcuffs that bind them.

 

[DallasApple]

I feel compelled to share a recent story (you do that to me, Lana, LOL). One of our kids was teasing another kid. The other kid was really sensitive to the teasing, and eventually decked our kid. I was called in to talk about it with everyone involved, and both our kid and the other child was disciplined.

I told the school that I didn't agree with their decision. I felt that only our child should have been disciplined, but.....there you go.

AWESOME STORY!!!!!!

I love your attitude about it.

I have another one..along the lines of what you are talking about..but slightly different because again it was my son(my oldest) being taunted..

The teacher called me (the music teacher) and said that my son had an outburst in class and yelled loudly and cursed.I said I would talk to him..Which I did..

He said it was a couple boys who of course made snide comments to him like "fat boy " and "fat ***" and "faggott" and whatever routinely and that in music class he sat in front of them and they broke pencils apart and were flicking pieces of pencil at his head ..my son had repeatedly turned around and told them to stop it..and the teacher saw my son turning around interacting(not paying attention) and corrected him ..my son said "they are flicking pencils at my head " and the teacher said "ya'll stop doing that " and of course the boys said "we didnt do nothing"..She said "all of ya'll behave"..

Well of course the boys kept on with it..Finally my son yelled LEAVE me the **** ALONE!! :sad4:

O.K so I was frustrated and I called the teacher back and told her what his "side of the story was" ..

She did not deny what happened I asked her WHAT is my son supposed to do and what do you plan on doing about the other boys have you called their parents???

DRUM ROLLL!!!!!!!

She said .."well I guess I'll move your son to the girls section". (in music class boys and girls were divided it was choir)...

She might as well have called my son a wimp for not being man enough to withstand having objects in rubberbands being flicked at his head and I suppose beating the crap out them which I taught my son NEVER to do and he was HUGE..and especially because of that I told him he could really hurt someone.This was in the 7th grade and he was already 5'9 and around 200lbs.(big boy)..He played football too.(they wanted him because of his bigness)

I said NO..YOU move the two BOYS that are PHYSICALLY assaulting MY son with flying objects under YOUR watch to the girls section.The teacher was stuttering and "flabbergasted" ..

My mother was always the one saying "tell him to punch them out"..He could "kick their *****"...

My son has never still this day at 27 ever punched anyone.And Im proud of him for that ..because Im sure he wanted to more than once..But my point is he was going to be the one "moved to the girls section" for crying out for help.

Love

Dallas

 

[Smoke]

I read where the little girl was upset because she gets teased.She said they call her "spitter" because apparently she has some sort of speech impedement that she spits when she talks.

There's no excuse for tolerating that. The school has shown that they can take a tough approach, so how about clamping down on the harrassment of this kid?

I got really mad..my youngest son became the target in early grade school like maybe 2nd grade.I told him to report to the teacher do not engage with the child which he did as I said..as well as I sent the teacher notes...It kept happening.Not for long though..It was a boy in his homeroom class.I knew his name.So one morning I went to school with my son and into the classroom before the bell rang and asked my son "where is he" ..he pointed him out ..

So I announced in a loud voice (not screaming just loud enough to cover the bussle) Mrs.Clever(teachers name ) and as I pointed straight at the child I said "That child "Johhny Brown is calling my child VULGAR names on a regular basis and I want it to STOP".What do I have to do ????

Well of course you could have heard a pin drop..The boys face turned white as a sheet..then red..The teacher looked at me like I was insane but I didnt care... and she adressed the problem and the boy stopped harrasing my child.Im sure he found another target but he left my son alone.

I feel compelled to share a recent story (you do that to me, Lana, LOL). One of our kids was teasing another kid. The other kid was really sensitive to the teasing, and eventually decked our kid. I was called in to talk about it with everyone involved, and both our kid and the other child was disciplined.

I told the school that I didn't agree with their decision. I felt that only our child should have been disciplined, but.....there you go.

Anyhoo, it was only after we grounded our son for a week when the behavior stopped.

My cousin is a high school principal. She's a nice person if you don't cross her, but she doesn't put up with anybody giving her kid any crap. He's a big kid - he was six feet tall by the time was twelve, and built like a football player - but very mild-mannered. It came out that some kid in his class was picking on him, and my cousin told him to go to school the next day and break the kid's nose.

He said he wasn't interested in fighting, but my cousin persisted. Her husband refused to teach the boy how to fight, so she tried to get her brother to do it, but her son just kept saying, "Mom, I'm not going to stoop to his level." Well, my cousin was fit to be tied, but she couldn't force the kid to fight, so she let it go.

Eventually, her son got fed up with the constant harassment, and one day he told the other boy, "If you don't watch out, I'm going to do like my mom said and break your nose." Then he got in trouble for threatening the boy.

My cousin went down to the middle school unannounced and demanded to see the teacher. The secretary said she didn't know where he was, and my cousin said, "What do you mean you don't know where he is? You don't know where your teachers are? You've got three minutes to produce him." So she did.

My cousin laid into the teacher; told him that he was responsible for allowing her son to be harassed for weeks on end, and if he couldn't put a stop to it, she'd go over his head and see that somebody did.

The teacher explained that her son said he'd break the other boy's nose.

"I told him to say it," she said. "Actually, I told him to do it."

After that, the harassment stopped.

After it was all over, my cousin was kind of embarrassed about losing her temper, but I can guarantee you she'd do it again.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Dang, I guess I'm the only parent whose kid was a bully. That sucks.



My thoughts concerning the tangent the thread has been taking.....school administration usually is in a bind when it comes to how to handle children that are a threat to another student or to them (or to themselves). They don't want to get sued for physically handling the students themselves, but they need to do something in order to minimize whatever property or personal damage has been done.

I've also been called in because my son (same kid as before) has before been disciplined for fighting back against a bully, as well as intervening a bully harassing another kid - he pushed over a kid twice his size because the bully was making a little girl cry. He just went up and pushed him over and stood above him protecting the little girl.

Now, in both the situations where he wasn't the bully, Steve and I told him at home that we commended his actions. We want to raise someone who has the courage to fight back when they're being harmed or they see someone else being harmed. We took him out for ice cream, to be honest.

When he was the bully, we grounded him. He got the message really really quickly what we approve of and what we don't.

So granted, there are plenty of times where we have disagreed with the actions the school took in order to maintain a level of safety and order for the children in the school. The kids deserve an atmosphere that's conducive to an education. But, as much as I've been vocal about disagreeing with their actions, I don't think I would sue them for things I would only consider inappropriate.

If there ever were incidents of abuse or neglect, you bet I would be calling our attorney. But it isn't abusive to handcuff my kid if he or she were having a violent outburst.

 

[DallasApple]

Dang, I guess I'm the only parent whose kid was a bully. That sucks.

No hun...its no bad reflection on you and the fact you took it seriously is a credit to you..

Love

Dallas