Giving up drinking

[Kapalika]

Stop drinking. You can do it. Drink turmeric mixed with cold water, over and over again and vomit it up. It works.

I had 3 beers tonight (spread across 2 meals) and I was fine. and I was fine many other times drinking since. I guess I just needed a wake up call and the events that lead to this topic did it.

Really though I want to move to using it properly as part of my tantric practice and not use it recreationally anymore.

 

[Thief]

having set aside the recreational.....

alcohol is something Man has lived with .....too far back to note

I have seen a documentary about alcohol that included what animals do with it
it was filmed...a primate squeezing the juice of rotting fruit into his mouth...
and falling down drunk for cause of it

I've had a small hornet take interest in my left over tequilla glass
he would not go away

and it is written .....take some wine for the sake of your stomach
it's true
but these things are done in VERY SMALL amounts
no more

and yeah ....if you use hard liquor as mouth wash.....and then swallow....ok
once

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I'm sorry everyone i didn't quit.

But I've not gotten stupidly drunk either so... not really binge drinking anymore either.

Nothing to be sorry for. If you haven't gotten stupid drunk or bringed drunk, it seems you are achieving your goal.

 

[ShivaFan]

Actually, you hit the nail on the head - "recreationally". That is a pretty good term, perhaps not perfect however.

I will not deny, perhaps due to DNA after eons of ancestors who drank fermented fruit, rice, potatos, et all, after all this was perhaps more safe than other things and could be stored for long periods of time, some have an ability to drink in reason with no effect and "thanks" to their ancestors as it was an ability "inherited" if you will, dead ender drunks probably died before they could afford to reproduce and thus those who had the ability lived longer and populated the gene pool more often.

But it seems alcoholism itself can be inherited. So I don't know what to say to those who have that DNA other than alcohol must be avoided.

Now let us take cannabis - some advanced yogis and renunciates can and do use it, not for "recreation", but for meditation or religious purpose. But this is not for the average idiot, such savants have advanced training, teaching, control - they know what they are doing.

There are examples in alcohol as well, but the same applies. You cannot just make up your own excuses, nor some "religion" out of thin air. You need the teaching from those who handed it down, training if you will, teaching, the method.

Driving a car can be dangerous. Only those trained how to drive a car should drive a car. Only those trained in the proper use, should drink as part of a meditation or "practice".

So recreational use, or what I would term "untrained use", is the problem. And the teacher(s) must come from an authorized disciplic succession. However, there are very few - probably none - such teachers in the West.

 

[Kapalika]

Actually, you hit the nail on the head - "recreationally". That is a pretty good term, perhaps not perfect however.

I will not deny, perhaps due to DNA after eons of ancestors who drank fermented fruit, rice, potatos, et all, after all this was perhaps more safe than other things and could be stored for long periods of time, some have an ability to drink in reason with no effect and "thanks" to their ancestors as it was an ability "inherited" if you will, dead ender drunks probably died before they could afford to reproduce and thus those who had the ability lived longer and populated the gene pool more often.

But it seems alcoholism itself can be inherited. So I don't know what to say to those who have that DNA other than alcohol must be avoided.

Now let us take cannabis - some advanced yogis and renunciates can and do use it, not for "recreation", but for meditation or religious purpose. But this is not for the average idiot, such savants have advanced training, teaching, control - they know what they are doing.

There are examples in alcohol as well, but the same applies. You cannot just make up your own excuses, nor some "religion" out of thin air. You need the teaching from those who handed it down, training if you will, teaching, the method.

Driving a car can be dangerous. Only those trained how to drive a car should drive a car. Only those trained in the proper use, should drink as part of a meditation or "practice".

So recreational use, or what I would term "untrained use", is the problem. And the teacher(s) must come from an authorized disciplic succession. However, there are very few - probably none - such teachers in the West.

Namaste.

I came back to this topic to quip that "quitting is for quitters" (I've had some wine tonight) and reading this I am acutely aware that i need a Guru. But as some say, even Shiva alone can be a Guru. I must meditate on this soon (sometimes Shiva speaks to me in meditation). I am a nondualist so it's one in the same. So I trust that my Ishvhara will guide me as I need on this matter and other matters.

 

[ShivaFan]

There is a Marga path of the Marga genre of sampradaya. It is related to the Bhairava manifestation of Shiva, specifically to Ananda Bhairava. It might sometimes be called the Kashmiracharam Sampradaya or AnandaBhairava Marga. You are probably already familiar with Bhairava, associated also to Kashi at the place “Where the Skull Fell”. Bhairav is sometimes associated as the Gate or Guardian found just as you cross into the door/gateway/arch of the Temple. Ananda Bhairava is also a genre of a Guardian just inside the “door”. The consort of Ananda Bhairava is Ananda Bhairavi.

This particular Devi is one way. She is also known a Suradevi, the Goddess of Wine. That is all I can say, it is up to you. Annapurna from Kashmir is the Goddess of Food/Grains. Suradevi is the Goddess of Red Wine. This is not a recommendation for drinking wine. It is a Devi in a practice.

 

[Willamena]

Many of us binge drink with the intention of getting drunk when we're young, Mandi. As we get older, most of us learn to drink to a mild buzz, then back off a bit. If you want to drink to moderation, that's what you do.

...get old?

 

[Kapalika]

Last night I learned it's hard to stop at two drinks when someone your with keeps putting more in your face and convinces you to rock out with them and drink.

I feel really embarrassed that I didn't moderate last night :s Maybe I do need to quit if I'm not at a function and it's not just one or two.

 

[crossfire]

Last night I learned it's hard to stop at two drinks when someone your with keeps putting more in your face and convinces you to rock out with them and drink.

I feel really embarrassed that I didn't moderate last night :s Maybe I do need to quit if I'm not at a function and it's not just one or two.

Why not take up a different recreational hobby instead of drinking? Perhaps a creative hobby that increases heedfulness instead of causing heedlessness as drinking does? (You can just as easily be sociable with your hobby as you can with drinking--it's fun to get together with friends to paint figurines, make jewelry, build models, etc.) If you find a creative activity/hobby you really enjoy, you might be able to build a small business out of it, or just use your creations as gifts.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Last night I learned it's hard to stop at two drinks when someone your with keeps putting more in your face and convinces you to rock out with them and drink.

I feel really embarrassed that I didn't moderate last night :s Maybe I do need to quit if I'm not at a function and it's not just one or two.

I wouldn't beat myself up over it. I went to a party last year, and I told myself I would socialize without drinking. However, my friend was very late and didn't get to stay long when she showed up, and it left me being alone and not knowing anyone, so I had a few beers once the keg was tapped. I didn't get trashed, but I did drink enough to help ease up on my social anxieties.
And the last time I got really drunk was a concert when Mushroomhead stopped in town, and people kept buying my drinks for me.

 

[Nietzsche]

Please don't encourage it.

You live just the one time. Quit bein' a killjoy.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

You live just the one time. Quit bein' a killjoy.

 

[Nietzsche]

Many of us binge drink with the intention of getting drunk when we're young, Mandi. As we get older, most of us learn to drink to a mild buzz, then back off a bit. If you want to drink to moderation, that's what you do.

Bull****. My liver & kidneys have to earn their stay here with me, goddamnit.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Bull****. My liver & kidneys have to earn their stay here with me, goddamnit.

Lol. Your sickly, crippled butt isn't exactly the best role model for living a healthy life.

 

[Kapalika]

Why not take up a different recreational hobby instead of drinking? Perhaps a creative hobby that increases heedfulness instead of causing heedlessness as drinking does? (You can just as easily be sociable with your hobby as you can with drinking--it's fun to get together with friends to paint figurines, make jewelry, build models, etc.) If you find a creative activity/hobby you really enjoy, you might be able to build a small business out of it, or just use your creations as gifts.

I do music *shrugs* So I got that.

 

[Luciferi Baphomet]

Part of me is tired of getting more drunk than I should and saying dumb things that I'm embarrassed about later.

But another part says nah, just drink less and get more self control when incredibly drunk.

I'm starting to think that given how irregularly I drink, I won't be able to ever adjust and get that self control just because I'm so unused to it. So maybe I should just stop entirely since it's hard for me to know when to stop drinking once I'm intoxicated.

Opinions?

At least once an a while you could drink you know. Even though I am 21 I can't drink since I am breastfeeding.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

I think it will be easier to just stop entirely....

Definitely...I've done it hundreds of time.

 

[VioletVortex]

Definitely...I've done it hundreds of time.

I think we have something in common . "Quitting" then relapsing the next week is quite common. After a while, some quit for good, while others remain addicted for a very long time.

Mandi, I hope you are successful at quitting (or moderating) your drinking.

 

[sun rise]

I think I just need to quit while I'm still ahead. I don't drink very often to start with so it shouldn't be hard to just totally stop. I think it will be easier to just stop entirely than to try to limit my intake.

Coming in late. Why not stop entirely for a while. If you can easily do that, then you could have a drink occasionally especially if you have one with a meal. If you find it hard to stop entirely, it's a different matter.

 

[Palehorse]

The world is spinning alot faster nowadays, not to mention it got knocked off it's axis a lil during the sunami in Japan. Alcohol slows the heart and makes people feel real. Unless you see blueberries and cherries then your heart speeds up. Addiction is the problem. Knowing yourself and when to stop and start is key to overcoming addiction.