God’s Method of delivering messages, is it flawed?

[Trailblazer]

You are BSing me.

You are deflecting. Why not address what I said? I have posted it twice already.

You expect God to do the things that would convince you if He is capable. Otherwise you consider God a dolt.
If that is not what you are saying, correct me.

If you do not correct me what you said stands. You expect God to do the things that would convince you if He is capable. Otherwise you consider God a dolt.

If you you expect God to do the things that would convince you if He is capable please explain why you expect that.

Why would God be a dolt just because God did not do the things that would convince you?

 

[ppp]

How do you know that a perfect God would want nothing? How do you know that a perfect God would not have a desire for change in the current state?

...because wants only exist when there is a desire for change. And a desire for change means that there is something about the current state is not perfect.

Can you prove that or is it just a personal opinion?

I just did.

 

[ppp]

You are deflecting. Why not address what I said? I have posted it twice already.

You expect God to do the things that would convince you if He is capable. Otherwise you consider God a dolt.
If that is not what you are saying, correct me.

I reject your moving of the goal posts from order to expect. Justify it or retract it. Until you do one or the other I consider your statement to be implicitly dishonest.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

But people do follow the Messengers.

Not enough follow any one messenger.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

How do you think you know these things about God? How do you think you know what God would want?

Do you watch any news? There certainly is something about the current state of the world that is not perfect. God wants humans to fix the problems we have in the world. That is the main reason God sent Baha'u'llah over 150 years ago, which is when He wrote the following.

The news has been dire for 1,000s of years. What about theBlack Death? 100 years war, 30years war, Spain decimating South America, etc.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

Yes, please answer that question.
Why should God prove He exists in the WAY you want Him to just because He can?

God provided proof through the Messengers. Why should God provide some other proof, just because you want it?

Prove he exists and not figments of a 1,000 men's imaginations.

Tell us which messengers are the right one, if any.

Tell us in person what he wants us to do.

Tell us how we achieve that.

It's not a few that want it, it's the majority of the world because so many follow so many fake gurus with silly solutions. All the Muslims, Christians, Jews, Hindus, Sieks, etc of the world can come together and unite.

That s if it's not just an imaginary god????? With 1,000s of fake messengers.

 

[Trailblazer]

...because wants only exist when there is a desire for change. And a desire for change means that there is something about the current state is not perfect.

God desires a change in the world because there is something about the current state of the world that is not perfect. How does that make God imperfect?

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

I did not say that God does not want everyone to believe He exists or that He has messages, I said that God does not want to give everyone a personal message or demonstrate His existence.

Why not?

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

No, because God does not need everyone to receive his message.

Bibles are full of things god wants us all to do, so he does need everyone to follow him. Only the tiny cults think they can get by on their own.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

Or that someone is not a servant who takes orders from you.

God is not your servant. God is under no obligation to convince you of anything.

Who do you think you are that God owes it to you to convince you that He exists? Why do you think you deserve that? Why would anyone deserve that, without having to do anything at all to get it?

It is your problem if you expect God to hop to and prove He exists, because God is not your servant.
God is nobody's servant, so God does not take orders from humans.

When you say "You" do you just Joe or do you mean the billions who are confused which god is the true one with the true messengers?

 

[Trailblazer]

Not enough follow any one messenger.

So what? Why should they? How could they?

I wish they would all follow Baha'u'llah but nobody can force them to because everyone has free will.

 

[Trailblazer]

The news has been dire for 1,000s of years. What about the Black Death? 100 years war, 30 years war, Spain decimating South America, etc.

How is that relevant to today's world? The news is dire now too. We do not live in the past.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

God desires a change in the world because there is something about the current state of the world that is not perfect. How does that make God imperfect?

What's so bad about the world today that hasn't happened in the past?

 

[Trailblazer]

Prove he exists and not figments of a 1,000 men's imaginations.

Tell us which messengers are the right one, if any.

Tell us in person what he wants us to do.

Tell us how we achieve that.

Why SHOULD God do any of that?

Until someone on this thread can tell me why God SHOULD do that there is no point of continuing because we are just going in circles.

That you (and others on this thread) WANT God to do something is not a reason why God SHOULD do it.

God does not do things just because people WANT Him to do things. Do you even understand why?

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

So what? Why should they? How could they?

I wish they would all follow Baha'u'llah but nobody can force them to because everyone has free will.

You're fortunate to have a few million followers with the unworkable plans.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

God desires a change in the world because there is something about the current state of the world that is not perfect. How does that make God imperfect?

What's so bad about the world today that hasn't happened in the past?

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

So what? Why should they? How could they?

I wish they would all follow Baha'u'llah but nobody can force them to because everyone has free will.

You're fortunate to have a few million followers with the unworkable plans.

 

[Trailblazer]

Why not?

Why not? Because an All-Powerful God does not take orders from humans. That is logic 101 stuff.

“To whomsoever He will He giveth whatsoever is His wish.” Gleanings, p. 73

• That means that if God does not wish to give everyone a personal message or demonstrate His existence. God is not going to do it.

“He bestoweth His favor on whom He willeth, and from whom He willeth He taketh it away. He doth whatsoever He chooseth.”Gleanings, p. 209

• That means that if God does not choose to give everyone a personal message or demonstrate His existence. God is not going to do it.

“He shall not be asked of the things it pleaseth Him to ordain.”Gleanings, p, 284

• That means is not our right to ask God to give everyone a personal message or demonstrate His existence. We get what God ordains, nothing more and nothing less.

Now give me one good reason why God should give everyone a personal message or demonstrate His existence.

 

[Trailblazer]

Bibles are full of things god wants us all to do, so he does need everyone to follow him. Only the tiny cults think they can get by on their own.

What God wants us to do is for our own benefit. God does not need anything from humans, including our belief.

 

[ppp]

God desires a change in the world because there is something about the current state of the world that is not perfect. How does that make God imperfect?

You think too small, and only in the context of yourself. The current state of the world is irrelevant to my point. The world could be in savage chaos or in bucolic bliss and my statement would still hold.

If a god was the creator of the universe, then they must necessarily exist "prior" to the universe in some fashion. The act of making the universe or anything at all is a change of state.

And a desire for change means that there is something about the current state is not perfect.