God’s Method of delivering messages, is it flawed?

[Trailblazer]

That's what you believe. You said there's evidence but failed to provide any.
No evidence = just an assertion

And I'm not talking about the 85%. I'm referring to your claim...."very few of those people want to or are willing to relinquish that faith that is the MAIN reason why only a few people recognize a new Messenger when He appears on earth."

Can you explain why, if people want to or are willing to relinquish that faith, they have not done so?
To me, the evidence is here:

Religion Adherents Percentage
Christianity 2.4 billion[1] 31.4%[1]
Islam 1.9 billion 24%
Hinduism 1.2 billion[1] 15.4%
Secular[a]/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist 1.1 billion 14.1%
Buddhism 506 million 6%
Chinese traditional religion[c] 394 million 5%
Ethnic religions excluding some in separate categories 300 million 3%
African traditional religions 100 million[4] 1.2%
Sikhism 26 million 0.30%
Spiritism 15 million 0.19%
Judaism 14.7 million[5] 0.18%
Bahá'í 7.0 million 0.09%
Jainism 4.2 million 0.05%
Shinto 4.0 million 0.05%
Cao Dai 4.0 million 0.05%
Zoroastrianism 2.6 million 0.03%
Tenrikyo 2.0 million 0.02%
Animism 1.9 million 0.02%
Neo-Paganism 1.0 million 0.01%
Unitarian Universalism 0.8 million 0.01%
Rastafari 0.6 million 0.007%
total 7.79 billion 100%

List of religious populations - Wikipedia

I never said that you said that. What you're doing is taking the comments in here and and else where, and convinced yourself that those comments represent the majority of that 85%. Taking such a small amount of opinion and believing that the majority of people from the 85% also think the same, is an irrational way of thinking.

Yes, that would be irrational to generalize from a small sample set; but I am not only going by comments on a forum, I am going by statistics, as noted above.

Provide your evidence that show that all those people have heard of the Baha’i Faith. How many people in China, USA, India, Russia, just to name a few countries with a large population.

That is a legitimate observation, not all people have heard of the Baha'i Faith, and there would no doubt be a lot more Baha'is if more people in the world knew about the Faith. A useful statistic to look at would be the percentage of people who have heard of the Bahai Faith who have left their older religions and become Baha'is.

I was religious when I was younger, now I'm irreligious, but I don't go around claiming that all or the majority of irreligious people are the same and/or have that same experience.

Of course all religious people are not the same, but there are common experiences that Baha'is encounter when speaking with other religious people, online or in person. Some people might think it is an interesting religion but hardly anyone is willing to change their religion and make the commitment and become a Baha'i.

 

[Aupmanyav]

It makes it true for me. JK Rowling is not a Manifestation of God so he is not infallible.

What did your infalliable manifestation say about women and LGBTQ? Why no women in your HoJ?

Some people might think it is an interesting religion but hardly anyone is willing to change their religion and make the commitment and become a Baha'i.

Have you ever given a thought as to why people do not join Bahai religion - It is because they do not see any thing of substance in it and think that Bahaollah was a fake.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Baha'u'llah offered there will be no future Messenger before a full 1000 years expires.

You people always forget Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, who was the Mahdi sent by Allah. You will have to answer this denial at Yawm-al-Qiyamah. You are refusing one who said he is from Allah. Bahaollah asked you not to do so.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Kindly quote exactly Bahaollah said. This is because Tony says that after your uneducated (as you have said) 19th Century Iranian preacher, the next manifestation will come regularly at an interval of 1000 years. The earlier manifestations came at random times.

 

[CG Didymus]

“All that lives, and this includes the religions, have springtime, a time of maturity, of harvest and wintertime. Then religion becomes barren, a lifeless adherence to the letter uninformed by the spirit, and man’s spiritual life declines. When we look at religious history, we see that God has spoken to men precisely at times when they have reached the nadir of their degradation and cultural decadence. Moses came to Israel when it was languishing under the Pharaoh’s yoke, Christ appeared at a time when the Jewish Faith had lost its power and culture of antiquity was in its death those. Muhammad came to a people who lived in barbaric ignorance at the lowest level of culture and into a world in which the former religions had strayed far away from their origins and nearly lost their identity. The Bab addressed Himself to a people who had irretrievably lost their former grandeur and who found themselves in a state of hopeless decadence. Baha’u’llah came to a humanity which was approaching the most critical phase of its history.” (Udo Schaefer, The Light Shineth in Darkness, p. 24)

Is this an "infallible" Baha'i teaching... that all the previous religions are barren?

When the religion was revealed it was pristine,

When was Hinduism revealed? And when did people "muck" it up?

 

[CG Didymus]

How do you know that there were any incarnations of Vishnu that came before Krishna, or do you just believe what Hindus say or Hindu scriptures that were passed on for generations through an oral and written tradition? Why should Baha'is believe these scriptures?

Hindu scriptures (such as the Vedas, Upanishads, Agamas, and Puranas), epics (the Bhagavad Gita and Ramayana), lawbooks, and other philosophical and denominational texts, have been passed on for generations through an oral and written tradition.

Hindu Scriptures - Hindu American Foundation

So Baha'is don't believe those Hindu Scriptures are from God? And Baha'is don't believe there were any other "manifestations" of God for the people of India other than Krishna? Or, Baha'is don't know, so they ignore them all? But then why believe Krishna was real? Have you read the stories about him? Do they sound real? Or, do they sound mythical?

 

[Trailblazer]

What did your infalliable manifestation say about women and LGBTQ?

I think you already know the answer to that.

Why no women in your HoJ?

We have been told we will know the answer in the future. Big huge deal.

Have you ever given a thought as to why people do not join Bahai religion - It is because they do not see any thing of substance in it and think that Bahaollah was a fake.

I know what they don't and I do not care. That's their own loss, not mine.

Matthew 7:13-14 Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

Have you ever thought about why you have a need to rank on Baha'u'llah and the Baha'i Faith?

 

[CG Didymus]

Baha'u'llah did usher in an age of peace:

There seems to be a delay in his ushering.

I know they are accurate because they contain the same eternal spiritual truths that were revealed by Baha'u'llah the other great religions.

So the gospel writers totally screwed telling the story about the things that Jesus did... like saying he walked on water and rose from the dead, which we know it total BS. But, the writers got the parables down exactly how they remember Jesus saying them?

From your link....
...we cannot be sure how much or how little of the four Gospels are accurate and include the words of Christ and His undiluted teachings, all we can be sure of, as Bahá'ís, is that what has been quoted by Bahá'u'lláh and the Master must be absolutely authentic. As many times passages in the Gospel of St. John are quoted we may assume that it is his Gospel and much of it accurate.

Of course we can. What could go wrong with assuming?

 

[Trailblazer]

Is this an "infallible" Baha'i teaching... that all the previous religions are barren?

No, that was just one man's opinion, not a Baha'i teaching. It is not a Baha'i thing, he said that ALL religions become barren over time, and it makes complete logical sense to me.

When was Hinduism revealed? And when did people "muck" it up?

I have no idea. Why not ask a Christian?

 

[CG Didymus]

You people always forget Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, who was the Mahdi sent by Allah. You will have to answer this denial at Yawm-al-Qiyamah. You are refusing one who said he is from Allah. Bahaollah asked you not to do so.

What can Baha'is say except that he is a fraud. Yet, with someone like Joseph Smith, I don't think one Baha'i has ever called his religious movement false. And when I said that the Book of Mormon says that Jesus came to the Americas, only one Baha'i said that can't be true.

 

[Trailblazer]

There seems to be a delay in his ushering.

There was no delay. He ushered it in but those who held the fate of humanity in their hands -- the kings and rulers -- did not accept His plan for peace.

So the gospel writers totally screwed telling the story about the things that Jesus did... like saying he walked on water and rose from the dead, which we know it total BS. But, the writers got the parables down exactly how they remember Jesus saying them?

I doubt they were exact, but they probably remembered the gist.

From your link....
...we cannot be sure how much or how little of the four Gospels are accurate and include the words of Christ and His undiluted teachings, all we can be sure of, as Bahá'ís, is that what has been quoted by Bahá'u'lláh and the Master must be absolutely authentic. As many times passages in the Gospel of St. John are quoted we may assume that it is his Gospel and much of it accurate.

Of course we can. What could go wrong with assuming?

Nothing really.

 

[Trailblazer]

So Baha'is don't believe those Hindu Scriptures are from God? And Baha'is don't believe there were any other "manifestations" of God for the people of India other than Krishna? Or, Baha'is don't know, so they ignore them all? But then why believe Krishna was real? Have you read the stories about him? Do they sound real? Or, do they sound mythical?

I don't know and I do not know what other Baha'is know. From what I know, most Baha'is don't care. Why should we care about an ancient religion? Give me one good reason.

Do you even see what is going on all over the world and especially in America. I consider it an utter waste of time to be talking about ancient religions that have no solutions whatsoever. What's the point?

 

[CG Didymus]

When the religion was revealed it was pristine

When was Hinduism revealed? And when did people "muck" it up?

I have no idea. Why not ask a Christian?

Hmmm? So you say when a religion was revealed, it was pristine. So whenever Hinduism was first revealed, it was pristine. But you don't know when that was. That's all I needed to know. Baha'is say things but can't support the things they say. That might not be God's flaw, but there's something flawed about it. Oh, and when I ask Christians about the other religions, they have "proof" that they are all false. There proof? The Bible said so... Almost the same answer I get from Baha'is... All the other religions are "barren"... people have mucked them all up. When they were first revealed, whenever that was, they were perfect. Now they're not, and God has sent a new messenger to unmuck up his religion.

 

[CG Didymus]

I don't know and I do not know what other Baha'is know. From what I know, most Baha'is don't care. Why should we care about an ancient religion? Give me one good reason.

Do you even see what is going on all over the world and especially in America. I consider it an utter waste of time to be talking about ancient religions that have no solutions whatsoever. What's the point?

The Dalai Lama put out a peace plan years ago, but who cares what he says... right? And Hindu sages and gurus don't have any solutions... whatsoever? Is that you speaking or is the from Baha'u'llah? Oh and what about Sikhs? No solutions?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

You people always forget Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, who was the Mahdi sent by Allah. You will have to answer this denial at Yawm-al-Qiyamah. You are refusing one who said he is from Allah. Bahaollah asked you not to do so.

No Baha'u'llah said the opposite about claimed Messengers.

But if one does not claim to be a Messenger, and displays many good works, then the good works define them.

".... Whoso layeth claim to a Revelation direct from God, ere the expiration of a full thousand years, such a man is assuredly a lying impostor. We pray God that He may graciously assist him to retract and repudiate such claim. Should he repent, God will, no doubt, forgive him...."

The bounty is, God gives us clear guidance in the Messenger and also allows us to see what is a false claim.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

The Dalai Lama put out a peace plan years ago, but who cares what he says... right? And Hindu sages and gurus don't have any solutions... whatsoever? Is that you speaking or is the from Baha'u'llah? Oh and what about Sikhs? No solutions?

I see any peace plan is a most notorious undertaking .

Regards Tony

 

[CG Didymus]

Both the promise, and the neglect of that promise are recorded.

Man's reaction to the promise is recorded.

Read what Shoghi Effendi has written about the lack of response to the Message given. I see the future humanity will find it hard to compute our lack of response and the choices made.

Regards Tony

Let's go back.

The problem we have for Messengers more than a 1000 years ago is we do not know how much darkness men have added to their story and word offered.

So we have a message and "darkness" gets added in.

Yes, trusting people with the message is a flawed why of doing it.

So the flaw is trusting people with that message.

Personally I see it is a gift of Love. Only in this way, can we learn to really love.

What does that have to do with it?

I'm talking about writing it down.

God let people write the message down, and they messed it up. You seem to be talking about people rejecting the Baha'i message. Which I can see why it is being rejected. What... Baha'u'llah and God really expected the leaders in the 1800's to give up their power and follow him? No, I think God knew it would be rejected. He seems to like to have his messages rejected. It gives him an excuse to send trials and tribulations onto the people of the world. What is his grand plan... to have us blow each other up until most of us are dead, and then have the remnant start over with his "divine" laws?

 

[Aupmanyav]

Baha'is, and Baha'u'llah, don't talk much about Hindu Scriptures. Why is that I wonder?

There must have been hardly a few Hindus in Iran in Bahaollah's time, so Bahaollah did not know much about them, except that they are polytheists. He was mainly addressing Jews, Christians and Muslims. One does not sell snake-oil in a desert, one stands at a busy cross-road like the evangelical Christians do in US and other places. Simple sales strategy.

 

[CG Didymus]

Why would God reveal a new religion that was exactly the same as the one he revealed before?

Because there is one God and one truth? But what we have is many Gods and many definitions of God and many different beliefs that fit very well with the culture that created those religions and Gods.

Here's something about the Egyptian beliefs....

The Egyptians believed their pharaoh to be the mediator between the gods and the world of men. After death the pharaoh became divine, identified with Osiris, the father of Horus and god of the dead, and passed on his sacred powers and position to the new pharaoh, his son.
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And I'm sure they had some prophet "reveal" these truths to the people. And, supposedly they had a dying and coming back to life God/man. So all this true? Or did people in that culture make all this up?

 

[CG Didymus]

One would think if America does face the danger offered in the writings, that it would find some people willing to have a conversation about it and what signs to look for. But alas, it has become a joke for many, a way to ridicule the Message.

And why do you not believe the JW's or the Mormons or some of the other Christians? They can say the same thing... "Is it a joke to you? Don't you know the Devil has deceived you? Jesus is coming soon to destroy the works of the Devil."

So they are wrong... and we shouldn't listen to their warning? But, we should listen to the Baha'is and their warning?