God’s Method of delivering messages, is it flawed?

[Aupmanyav]

Who founded Buddhism?
Siddhartha Gautama
Who founded Hinduism?
Unlike other religions, Hinduism has no one founder but is instead a fusion of various beliefs. Around 1500 B.C., the Indo-Aryan people migrated to the Indus Valley, and their language and culture blended with that of the indigenous people living in the region.Oct 6, 2017

Buddhahood - Wikipedia
According to the Theravada tradition, of the seven Buddhas named in the early Buddhist texts four are from the current kalpa and three are from past ones.
Hinduism is eternal. Does not need a founder.

 

[Aupmanyav]

It is the not messages that cause strife, it is the people in the various religions.
Messages just sit on the pages of the Books.
He said a lot about Allah, mainly how unknowable Allah is.

That is what many of us are saying. Allah's method of sending messages is faulty.
If Allah is unknowable then what was he yacking about?

 

[Aupmanyav]

"Tablet: In the Ancient Near East, clay tablets (Akkadian ṭuppu(m)) were used as a writing medium, especially for writing in cuneiform, throughout the Bronze Age and well into the Iron Age.
Cuneiform characters were imprinted on a wet clay tablet with a stylus often made of reed (reed pen). Once written upon, many tablets were dried in the sun or air, remaining fragile." Clay tablet - Wikipedia

Did Bahaollah write on clay tablets with reed pen? Otherwise why Bahais call his writing as tablet? It should be termed as notes, essays, articles. Did any body write on clay tablets in Iran in 19th Century. Why do Bahais take recourse to falsehood every time? Does speaking a lie pleases their Allah?

Clay tablet

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

That is what many of us are saying. Allah's method of sending messages is faulty.
If Allah is unknowable then what was he yacking about?

The number of people who claim to be messenger, messiah, second comings, etc and their different messages only proves there is no god talking, communicating, sending messages etc to anyone.

And the refusal of proving themselves with verifiable evidence just confirms that fact.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

Reading this I'm left wondering if Bahá'u'lláh was just a contestant in a Miss World contest. Reciting what she wants without a plan to get there.

Teachings and Principles of the Baha’i Faith

Some of the fundamental teachings of the Baha'i Faith:

1. ■The oneness of God
   
   
2. ■The essential unity of religion
   
   
3. ■The unity of mankind
   
   
4. ■Equality of men and women
   
   
5. ■Elimination of all forms of prejudice
   
   
6. ■World peace
   
   
7. ■Harmony of religion and science
   
   
8. ■Independent investigation of truth
   
   
9. ■The need for universal compulsory education
   
   
10. ■The need for a universal auxiliary language
    
    
11. ■Obedience to government and non-involvement in partisan politics
    
    
12. ■Elimination of extremes of wealth and poverty
    

All very fine aims but without men with bigger guns that those who want to do evil unachievable. Some just plain silly.

Obedience to government and non-involvement in partisan politics.
Without parties governments become dictatorships.

Elimination of extremes of wealth and poverty Extreme wealth is what has driven man to excel in most things. We see the failure of equal societies in communism, ancient civilisations, communes.

The need for a universal auxiliary language My language helps to define who I am as a person. Are we all to become the same people.

Independent investigation of truth We've done that and many religious people reject it. They want to hang on to Bronze Age knowledge.

Harmony of religion and science So will religious people give up when faced with overwhelming scientific proof?

Can someone else point out the flaws in Bahá'u'lláh beliefs or aims because I need to go pee.

 

[Trailblazer]

That is what many of us are saying. Allah's method of sending messages is faulty.
If Allah is unknowable then what was he yacking about?

Why? What would be a better method?

Some of the yakking was about the unknowable God.

 

[Trailblazer]

Did Bahaollah write on clay tablets with reed pen? Otherwise why Bahais call his writing as tablet? It should be termed as notes, essays, articles. Did any body write on clay tablets in Iran in 19th Century.

No, He did not write on clay tablets, and I do not know what they are called Tablets.

 

[Trailblazer]

God doesn't have to tell us Baha writings he only has to tell us he is the messenger. God might say Baha isn't a messenger.

Why should God say anything?

 

[Trailblazer]

The number of people who claim to be messenger, messiah, second comings, etc and their different messages only proves there is no god talking, communicating, sending messages etc to anyone.

That does not prove a damn thing, except that thee are many false messengers, which in no way proves that there are no true Messengers of God; just as a junkyard full of junky cars does not prove that there are no new car lots down the street. This is logic 101 stuff.

And the refusal of proving themselves with verifiable evidence just confirms that fact.

That does not prove anything either because the Messengers are in no way obligated to provide verifiable evidence, although Baha'u'llah did provide it.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

Why? What would be a better method?

Some of the yakking was about the unknowable God.

To write the messages on tablets in a form that no man could do.
To indicate Bahá'u'lláh is its messenger by writing in a way no man can.
Or maybe writing to tell us who is the messenger we should listen to, might not be Bahá'u'lláh.
To show it exists.

Why should God say anything?

An easy one to answer.

To prove it exists
To show us which messenger we should listen to
To stop all the evil things done in its name
So that we know it is there and it loves us
So that we know we will go to heaven after this life at the moment many of us only hope.
To explain why it gives newborn babies crippling diseases

Just saying why should he bother is a bad copout andallows evil peopleto do evil things.

 

[Trailblazer]

god related 14,000 messages inTablets to Baha'u'llah. Then Baha'u'llah wrote them to see them ignored by the majority. It would have been easier and more effective if god told us directly.

Too bad for the majority, they will just miss out on eternal life.

Matthew 7:13-14 Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

It is no skin off God's nose because God already has eternal life.

Eventually more people will hop on board and gain eternal life; it is early in yet, as we are only about 150 years into a new Dispensation which will last no less than 1000 years.

God didn't offer us anything as you say it's not god's job to talk to us. We threw the messages back in the face of false men.

You can throw them back if you want to. It is your eternal life that is at stake, not God's.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

That does not prove a damn thing, except that thee are many false messengers, which in no way proves that there are no true Messengers of God; just as a junkyard full of junky cars does not prove that there are no new car lots down the street. This is logic 101 stuff.

That does not prove anything either because the Messengers are in no way obligated to provide verifiable evidence, although Baha'u'llah did provide it.

Because there are many false witnesses makes it imperative the true ones provide proof.
Where did Baha'u'llah provide it? Please don't give me Baha'u'llah writing he's the one because that's not proof, not what his followers say.

On the verifiable points, you gave.

1. He did not say anything about America falling.
2. His plan to peace is false.
3. His aims are a child's wishes without any foundation.

Too bad for the majority, they will just miss out on eternal life.

Matthew 7:13-14 Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

It is no skin off God's nose because God already has eternal life.

Eventually more people will hop on board and gain eternal life; it is early in yet, as we are only about 150 years into a new Dispensation which will last no less than 1000 years.

You can throw them back if you want to. It is your eternal life that is at stake, not God's.

The age-old "Unless you follow my messenger my way you're not getting into a place I have no proof of."

I don't believe in heaven or hell, they're made-up places to keep the peasants quiet.

 

[Trailblazer]

You didn't answer my question. Who, where, when is Adam.

Adam was the first Messenger (Manifestation of God) in the Adamic Cycle of religion.

41: THE UNIVERSAL CYCLES​

Question.—What is the real explanation of the cycles which occur in the world of existence?
Answer.—Each one of the luminous bodies in this limitless firmament has a cycle of revolution which is of a different duration, and every one revolves in its own orbit, and again begins a new cycle. So the earth, every three hundred and sixty-five days, five hours, forty-eight minutes and a fraction, completes a revolution; and then it begins a new cycle—that is to say, the first cycle is again renewed. In the same way, for the whole universe, whether for the heavens or for men, there are cycles of great events, of important facts and occurrences. When a cycle is ended, a new cycle begins; and the old one, on account of the great events which take place, is completely forgotten, and not a trace or record of it will remain. As you see, we have no records of twenty thousand years ago, although we have before proved by argument that life on this earth is very ancient. It is not one hundred thousand, or two hundred thousand, or one million or two million years old; it is very ancient, and the ancient records and traces are entirely obliterated.

Each of the Divine Manifestations has likewise a cycle, and during the cycle His laws and commandments prevail and are performed. When His cycle is completed by the appearance of a new Manifestation, a new cycle begins. In this way cycles begin, end and are renewed, until a universal cycle is completed in the world, when important events and great occurrences will take place which entirely efface every trace and every record of the past; then a new universal cycle begins in the world, for this universe has no beginning. We have before stated proofs and evidences concerning this subject; there is no need of repetition.

Briefly, we say a universal cycle in the world of existence signifies a long duration of time, and innumerable and incalculable periods and epochs. In such a cycle the Manifestations appear with splendor in the realm of the visible until a great and supreme Manifestation makes the world the center of His radiance. His appearance causes the world to attain to maturity, and the extension of His cycle is very great. Afterward, other Manifestations will arise under His shadow, Who according to the needs of the time will renew certain commandments relating to material questions and affairs, while remaining under His shadow.

We are in the cycle which began with Adam, and its supreme Manifestation is Bahá’u’lláh.
Some Answered Questions, pp. 160-161

There is not a lot written about Adam, as noted on the links below:

Adam - Bahaipedia, an encyclopedia about the Bahá’í Faith

Adam - Bahai9

 

[Trailblazer]

So no mention of America, just a vague piece of gobblygook about black and white.

There is a lot more written about America, but I have time limits so I cannot look up everything that is in the Baha'i Writings.

 

[Trailblazer]

Today we have far better means of communication. So your example misses by a country mile.

That is one reason why there were 5 million Baha'is by the end of the first century compared to only 7,530 Christians by the end of the first century.

 

[Trailblazer]

So he couldn't convince his jailers. You confirmed what I said.

Convince His jailers of what? Sorry, I do not know the entire history of the Baha'i Faith, maybe Tony would know more.

 

[Trailblazer]

So what happens if a small group decide to get more than the rest by using violence? These are great ideals, but in practice won't work.

Here is an article I found on that subject:

Understanding and Eliminating Oppression

 

[Aupmanyav]

Why? What would be a better method?
Some of the yakking was about the unknowable God.

I think I have replied to this question earlier, remember "he copuld write in the sky .. etc."
If his Allah was unknowable then he should have kept silent about it. Why then a life-time of yakking?

 

[Trailblazer]

Or doesn't exist.

Yes, you get to decide whether or not to believe God exists.

God changes the rules to suit us.

No, God never changes any of His rules to suit us. He does whatever He chooses.

 

[Aupmanyav]

No, He did not write on clay tablets, and I do not know what they are called Tablets.

I kno2w and I have written it in the last line of my post - posing to be ancient writing. Various strategies that sellers of snake-oil employ.