God’s Method of delivering messages, is it flawed?

[CG Didymus]

I never denied that I talked about Baha'u'llah as part of the discussion. I had to in order to respond to the posts.

But if everyone stops talking about Baha'u'llah right now, you won't see me saying anything about Baha'u'llah...
Can you do it? Can you make everyone else do it?

But he's mentioned several times in your OP. If people believe God's method of delivering his message is flawed, that would include us giving reasons why we think it is still flawed with how he had Baha'u'llah deliver it. And when we do you're more than welcome to give your thoughts on why you think it is not flawed.

 

[CG Didymus]

It is only a flaw from your perspective. From God's perspective, it was intentional

Christian have a much harder thing to do in justifying their beliefs in God. God is killing people and having others kill people. He sets up Adam and Eve for a fall and then curses them. He gives his people hundreds of laws and with some of them, he requires offenders to be stoned to death. You are right, I wouldn't call that flawed... I'd call that screwed up. So if you say if is just "stories"... It is not "literally" true... I'm fine with that. But are you okay with me calling it "mythology"?

 

[CG Didymus]

Of course CG, the issue would have nothing to do with you at all. It must be God, the Messenger or the Baha'i.

Regards Tony

Here's the posts leading up to my post.

Do I look like a short order cook, or does Tony?

Neither one of us has any need to back up what we believe since we are not trying to prove it to anyone.

Super lame excuse. Of course you are trying to prove your mythology to everyone. But again, it's not my fault you cannot back up your claims.

Why the excuses? They have a peace plan. They say that things will get so bad that people will turn to them and use them as a "model". They say their guy is the "divine" physician and knows what will cure the ills of the world. Their way of presenting their religion seems very much flawed.

You don't think how you and TB present your religion is flawed? You couldn't find a better way of doing it and saying it?

 

[CG Didymus]

LOL!!!

Thanks, I needed that.

Now you can go and save the link to that "foretelling" of the future, and then show it others whenever something goes badly. They will be amazed how you knew it would happen. From there you could maybe start a Bahahaha cult for Tailblazer and Dony to follow.

Yes, my prediction always come true, but no one recognizes me as being anything special? And they shouldn't with vague predictions like that.

 

[Vinayaka]

Yes, my prediction always come true, but no one recognizes me as being anything special? And they shouldn't with vague predictions like that.

I think yore special ... for hangin' in there with this 'debate'.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

You don't think how you and TB present your religion is flawed? You couldn't find a better way of doing it and saying it?

What would you do different CG? How would you share it?

The only real example is Abdul'baha.

Personally I have a lot to consider.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Yes, my prediction always come true, but no one recognizes me as being anything special? And they shouldn't with vague predictions like that.

How much of Shoghi Effendi have you read?

Regards Tony

 

[rational experiences]

All conversations and arguments are historically male and human, science.

Without a human thinking and telling stories there is no story or consciousness claiming, there is another spirit asides from my own self.

Yet if you were teaching someone who is wrong...the artificial inventor, a machine, whose product is artificially produced from the highest/cooled water sealed mineral body. Who artificially manipulates it...to a melt. Then you have a look at your ancient destruction and say, yes steps in Temple and about pyramid, melted.

It was you male scientist human.

If another human has to quote, I own all conditions that the ONE GOD O entity, the Earth created. As the spirits. Meaning of which is by intellect, gases from the stone CH evaluations cold by spatial cooling and also Holy Water. Then if you argue against a Satanist, whose themes are about hot and radiation history and hot gases for conversion then we did.

I know our Father, human is the Holy Father. I know that his spirit and our Holy Mother's spirit came out of the description, the eternal body. Manifested into a lower spirit body, we live as nearly a bio water. Water being the highest spirit form of God by history and story telling.

Yet a human is only a male adult Father or a fe male adult Mother....male, inferred and referenced as a scientific male human reasoning. Hu man...given all of his determined references...the words, the names, the descriptions for his sciences.

Father told me that he lost half of his original spiritual life due to science conversion. That it became the place of IMAGE and it remains now in the heavenly cloud mass.

However he was personally released as a spirit self out of the eternal. Hence half of the water mass is now eternal interactive instead of eternal to human conscious historic status. So we own 2 conditions of conscious support from the original eternal.

Science states I want the eternal....yes, scientist you sure want it. The reason you invented science is because you wanted to be converted back into the eternal being, and have the light gases that kept you incarnate removed. Knowing that you were forced out of the eternal due to the heavenly presence.

Father in memory quotes...at night time the male spirit manifested could return back into the eternal, as no gases were burning. How he gained full and complete realisation of all conditions. Knew that in day light manifestation, his spirit life was being sacrificed like the gases were. Knew.

If you used common sense and quote all of my ability and capability is only discussed as a living human self using and quoting memories. 2 forms of memories about O the planet Earth history in cosmology and then my own spiritual self conscious journey.

So science who quotes, I have evolved my male psyche. Thinks about the information that males have used forever in science before him. Then says, what do you think you are talking about? There is no eternal status in the sciences.

And he is not wrong.

 

[CG Didymus]

If Trailblazer and Tony are their chief spokespeople, that ain't going to go anywhere. Hope they have a Plan B, C, D, E, F...

I think their plan is to let the what they call "the Old World Order" collapse, and then the Baha'is will be ready to fill in the gap with their "New World Order." Obviously by letting low-level Baha'is act as if they are "chief" spokespeople is part of the flaw in God getting his message out.

 

[Ancient Soul]

There is no plan for people that have not chosen to be Baha'i, but to leave all people to choose their own way.

I have said much to much in this thread, so I would suggest to hold off on the popcorn, but hey Trailblazer might keep dishing up some desert.

There is an open offer for people to help in community building activities some may choose to join in, who knows?

I have to go find some more wisdom now, threads like this eat up any progress made, like one step forward two back.

Have fun all. Regards Tony

Is THAT suppose to make me spiritually devolve and join your cult?

 

[rational experiences]

If a human being can read all world brother spiritual literature and be spiritually motivated by the readings of the text, then the human reading the literature wants to be spiritually motivated.

For you have to own personal self motivation to be spiritual first.

What a lot of humans researching using snide commentary never even consider.

If I can read a Bahai statement and it inclines my thinking to love, kindness and caring without having to follow or be a part of an organization of humans who need to feel a part of something greater than them. Then it is natural human behaviour to want to feel comforted and protected in groups.

Seeing the community once was all their extended family, which we were removed from as a natural history of our spirituality.

Some humans have a natural ability to be enabled to live singularly, which is a smaller group of human behaviour, which also came about due to a lack of family mutual spirituality expressive behaviour. For a lot of humans claim to be spiritual in the organization but in actual life can be an abuser.

 

[CG Didymus]

God did not talk to anyone. The OT is a complete anthropomorphism of God.
"And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend." LOL, LOL, LOL
Who wrote that? Men can write any garbage they want to write, that does not make it true.

Yes, the Bible is garbage and nothing. It anthropomorphizes God like all the other myths of the other cultures of the time. Ha, what a joke... God spoke face to face with Moses. The Jewish Bible is such of bunch of %^&$. I think some of us here agree with you.

But... then you show us verses where the Baha'i prophets say nothing but good things about it... And that several people in the Jewish Bible were manifestations of God. And the whole thing is not flawed... that is exactly how God wanted his message to be revealed.

 

[CG Didymus]

So can god appear or does he choose not to?

But he does appear in other Scriptures but not really. And that comes from a religion I can't name right now... It is off limits, but it's that one who's prophet is right about everything he says.

 

[CG Didymus]

As we all know teens get their sex drive whether they are married or single. There is even pleasure in masturbation on ones own. This is because of the way we were made.

There are Baha'i quotes from Shoghi Effendi saying not to do the dirty deed with oneself. But I'm not going to do your homework for you. You'll have to read every thing he ever wrote until you find it.

 

[CG Didymus]

How much of Shoghi Effendi have you read?

Regards Tony

Yes, I have read some. Why do you ask?

 

[CG Didymus]

God cannot appear because God is Spirit and Spirit cannot be seen. Do you understand?

Is our true self the physical body or our spirit? Did God make our physical bodies, but he can't make one for himself? Yet, he makes special bodies for spirits of the manifestations to live in?

 

[CG Didymus]

I don't care what is pleasurable. The purpose of this life is not physical pleasure.

No, we were not made to behave like beasts of the field. Humans have a higher spiritual nature that other animals do not have. We also have free will that other animals do not have so we can choose not to act on our sexual desires. Do you really want to continue this discussion, because you will never change my beliefs on this subject.

God making moral laws that most people, not you, can't follow is one of the flaws. The preacher gets up on the pulpit, "God wants us to be pure and not touch ourselves, not to look at others with lust and to only get down and get nasty with the person you are married to." So what happens. Preachers get caught foolin' around. Priests get caught playing around with alter boys. The rules haven't worked. In the Bible, even stoning didn't stop people from messing around. I predict, yes, another one, the sexual laws and moral codes will not be successful at preventing Baha'is from playing with themselves or with other people to whom they are not married. The flaw? God made it feel too good.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I think their plan is to let the what they call "the Old World Order" collapse, and then the Baha'is will be ready to fill in the gap with their "New World Order." Obviously by letting low-level Baha'is act as if they are "chief" spokespeople is part of the flaw in God getting his message out.

There is no such thing as low level Baha'i, only Baha'i.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Is our true self the physical body or our spirit? Did God make our physical bodies, but he can't make one for himself? Yet, he makes special bodies for spirits of the manifestations to live in?

Our true self is spirit. The body is a vessel that enables us to grow within this matrix.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Yes, I have read some. Why do you ask?

Shoghi Effendi was able to interpret what both Baha'u'llah and Abdu'lbaha offered.

His extensive writings give an amazing view of the future. A future we can alter.

Regards Tony