God and Depression

[chinu]

Why would god make people with mental disorders?

Romeo was, More than "MAD" for juliet.

Now! Who's Fault ?.

_/\_Chinu.

 

[Pegg]

Not if you're an all powerful god, you could spin that top perfectly for-literally-ever.

I find that to be a crappy analogy... god could've made everyone without chemical unbalances. (equal)

thats exactly right, God could spin the top perfectly forever...and that was his intention


its just that he has been thrown a little off course by the actions of Adam and Eve. When they rebelled they became detached from Gods guiding hand...he hasnt been keeping the spinning top spinning... its slowly been winding down.

It probably is a crappy analogy, im sure there are better ones such as a fan which is detached from its powerpoint. The fan continues to rotate until it slowly dies down and comes to a complete stop. We have been detached from our source of life/power and that detachment has led to the various illnesses we suffer because our body does not have the power in itself to repel all illnesses.

 

[primal303]

I didn't know that God actually had a hand in creating humans since Adam and Eve. I pretty much thought of him as the ultimate shepard. He may have created the first couple, but since then and the introduction of free will, he has been there as a guiding, loving, forgiving entity, trying to teach us to be loving and forgiving to our fellow man. I beleive he is no more to blame than my great grandparents are to blame for the death of my older brother when he was 3 days old. I have cancer, and yes, I asked God why he marked me for death, what had I done? God isn't responsible for my cancer, it's was a stromal tumor and they havent actually linked it to any enviroment factors so it's hard to say what caused it, but it wasn't God.

Free will is the ultimate gift but burden at the same time. I often think how blissful it would be if every decision was taken from me and I had no knowledge of anything except what my master gave me. I then snap to reality and realize that while that sounds great, it is not our lot in life and it's time to start participating in real life again.

I'm not perfect, far from it, and I waiver in times of severe trauma, but I always resume my faith that there is something more waiting for me and my imperfectness.

If there was a group of people that had the right to question God, I should be included in that. I have cancer, diabetes, a hernia the size of a grapefruit in my stomach, depression, ADD, just come off a year of chemo to find out that my wife of 11 years has been having an affair while I was tired and sick all the time because of the chemo. I mean, come on, seriously right.

But my faith carries me. I can't explain it scientifically, it just does.

So to answer the OP, he doesn't. But he is there to shepard us through his teachings and after we leave this mortal life. That may not be any consolation to the parents or the suffering and it sucks to the nth degree that they go through that much pain. My older brother died at 3 days old after being born with several defects. Would I love to have an older brother to turn to? Heck yes, but that was not what happened. Would my parents love to have 2 sons? Yes they would, but that wasn't what happened. Would I love to not have cancer or anything else on that list. No brainer, but it happened, and Gods teachings help me to deal with it, most of the time. After all, I am still just human and have free will.

 

[PolyHedral]

its just that he has been thrown a little off course by the actions of Adam and Eve.

Invalid argument: contradiction: an all-knowing God cannot be thrown off under any circumstances. Even only a sufficiently-knowing (and aware) God cannot be thrown off in the circumstances described.

 

[Orias]

Oh so mankind designed mankind, that. makes. so. much. sense....

:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap

Genetics must be a mysterious thing to you.

Would man still be mankind if we had not been?

 

[AntEmpire]

thats exactly right, God could spin the top perfectly forever...and that was his intention

its just that he has been thrown a little off course by the actions of Adam and Eve. When they rebelled they became detached from Gods guiding hand...he hasnt been keeping the spinning top spinning... its slowly been winding down.

It probably is a crappy analogy, im sure there are better ones such as a fan which is detached from its powerpoint. The fan continues to rotate until it slowly dies down and comes to a complete stop. We have been detached from our source of life/power and that detachment has led to the various illnesses we suffer because our body does not have the power in itself to repel all illnesses.

Not if you're an all powerful god, you could spin that top perfectly for-literally-ever, unless you didn't want to spin it forever, or you were not an all powerful god.

The top was thrown a bit off course due to god creating a tree on the top and he threw a demon snake on the top as well. Did god expect it to not wobble? No he put the tree and the snake on the top because it was his will for it to wobble.

No i like the top one better, I don't know **** about fans. Tops are simple.

 

[AntEmpire]

Genetics must be a mysterious thing to you.

Would man still be mankind if we had not been?

Is the word design a mystery to you?

Yes we would still be mankind if mankind did not design mankind.

How could mankind create itself before mankind existed. Do explain.



opcorn:

 

[PolyHedral]

Is the word design a mystery to you?

Yes we would still be mankind if mankind did not design mankind.

How could mankind create itself before mankind existed. Do explain.



opcorn:

Like this.

 

[AntEmpire]

I didn't know that God actually had a hand in creating humans since Adam and Eve. I pretty much thought of him as the ultimate shepard. He may have created the first couple, but since then and the introduction of free will, he has been there as a guiding, loving, forgiving entity, trying to teach us to be loving and forgiving to our fellow man. I beleive he is no more to blame than my great grandparents are to blame for the death of my older brother when he was 3 days old. I have cancer, and yes, I asked God why he marked me for death, what had I done? God isn't responsible for my cancer, it's was a stromal tumor and they havent actually linked it to any enviroment factors so it's hard to say what caused it, but it wasn't God.

Free will is the ultimate gift but burden at the same time. I often think how blissful it would be if every decision was taken from me and I had no knowledge of anything except what my master gave me. I then snap to reality and realize that while that sounds great, it is not our lot in life and it's time to start participating in real life again.

I'm not perfect, far from it, and I waiver in times of severe trauma, but I always resume my faith that there is something more waiting for me and my imperfectness.

If there was a group of people that had the right to question God, I should be included in that. I have cancer, diabetes, a hernia the size of a grapefruit in my stomach, depression, ADD, just come off a year of chemo to find out that my wife of 11 years has been having an affair while I was tired and sick all the time because of the chemo. I mean, come on, seriously right.

But my faith carries me. I can't explain it scientifically, it just does.

So to answer the OP, he doesn't. But he is there to shepard us through his teachings and after we leave this mortal life. That may not be any consolation to the parents or the suffering and it sucks to the nth degree that they go through that much pain. My older brother died at 3 days old after being born with several defects. Would I love to have an older brother to turn to? Heck yes, but that was not what happened. Would my parents love to have 2 sons? Yes they would, but that wasn't what happened. Would I love to not have cancer or anything else on that list. No brainer, but it happened, and Gods teachings help me to deal with it, most of the time. After all, I am still just human and have free will.

Even if god only initially created the world, he knew what he was doing, and knew what would happen even millions of trillions of years down the line, even with free will. Or if somehow god knows everything except free will please explain how mankind's free will caused dna in humans that we didn't know about until the last 100 years to start messing up tens of thousands of years ago.

God could've created a world with free will but where birth defects were an impossibility.

Either god cares and didn't know what he was doing. (which seems to be what most believers believe) Or god doesn't care and knew exactly what he was doing. Or god doesn't exist, or doesn't care and didn't know what he was doing.

 

[Nothing]

Why would god make people with mental disorders? (my sister is bi-polar, I have mild depression, my mother had constant anxiety)

Now for this thread assume a supreme being that created humanity exists. Why would he/she/it if it cared for the people it was creating make them with mental disorders? This can slippery slop slide into discussions about retardation, or even physical or even babies that are born and destined to die a painful death weeks later, etc.

God did not make us with mental disorders. God made us perfect and all we need to do is realize our perfection and perfection will be tangible. WE made mental disorders because we continue to deny our natural state of perfection.
I realize what I have stated here may hold no substance for you so let me put it this way: The world as most of us perceive it is very flawed. It is as though there are threats to our security and well being around every corner and the business of security as most of us know is extremely profitable. It is in the best interest of those who provide security to perpetuate our fears so that we will continue to invest in there services.
Then there is the pharmaceutical companies. It is not in there best interest to cure mental illness for if they did they would put themselves out of business. Long term profits are perpetuated by treating symptoms rather then finding cures.
We constantly bombard ourselves through media how pathetic we are as a race, yet we seem to use this information to place ourselves above or below others. |There is much more WE have done to ourselves of course, but God had nothing to do with it other then give us free will.

 

[AntEmpire]

God did not make us with mental disorders. God made us perfect and all we need to do is realize our perfection and perfection will be tangible. WE made mental disorders because we continue to deny our natural state of perfection.
I realize what I have stated here may hold no substance for you so let me put it this way: The world as most of us perceive it is very flawed. It is as though there are threats to our security and well being around every corner and the business of security as most of us know is extremely profitable. It is in the best interest of those who provide security to perpetuate our fears so that we will continue to invest in there services.
Then there is the pharmaceutical companies. It is not in there best interest to cure mental illness for if they did they would put themselves out of business. Long term profits are perpetuated by treating symptoms rather then finding cures.
We constantly bombard ourselves through media how pathetic we are as a race, yet we seem to use this information to place ourselves above or below others. |There is much more WE have done to ourselves of course, but God had nothing to do with it other then give us free will.

Sorry go to any hospital OBGYN, and ask them if any of the babies have died in the past decade, or how many have been born with disfigurements, or born mentally or physically retarded. Your world view doesn't fit the real world.

I have never taken any pharmaceuticals for depression, in your world i shouldn't still have it, because you believe it is the pharmaceutical companies who are making these illnesses, but they existed long before medicine.

 

[Orias]

Is the word design a mystery to you?

Yes we would still be mankind if mankind did not design mankind.

How could mankind create itself before mankind existed. Do explain.



opcorn:

I don't find anything mysterious about the universe and it's nature.

"Man" or "Mankind" is a perception. Semantics plays a large role in our own creation, it's a willful acknowledgement that we as "humans" are capable of willing things into existence.

If man could not speak tongues, or provoke dialect, "man" would never exist.

 

[AntEmpire]

I don't find anything mysterious about the universe and it's nature.

"Man" or "Mankind" is a perception. Semantics plays a large role in our own creation, it's a willful acknowledgement that we as "humans" are capable of willing things into existence.

If man could not speak tongues, or provoke dialect, "man" would never exist.

The WORD design. Not the World design, which still wouldn't be the universe.

Its a perception sure, its a perception of something that didn't create itself.

 

[Jeremy Mason]

this would be a case in point. a god that cynically creates other human beings with mental or physical handicaps just to test the morality of others.

Your right. It's not easy taking care of people you do not know. As far as the test goes...I place that as my own.

 

[blackout]

The female reproductive system
(and the whole reproductive system in general)
is flawed WAY beyond the point of recall.

He should lose his position of CEO for that cosmic blunder alone.

 

[Orias]

The WORD design. Not the World design, which still wouldn't be the universe.

Its a perception sure, its a perception of something that didn't create itself.

So we would still be if we had not given labels to describe ourselves?

Catholics, Christians, and Satanists alike would not be, had not some greater form of consciousness created them. Who would be more likely to change something than the one's who describe this given existences?

You can say that chairs, mathematics, and science exist, but I say they don't, because they are human frabrications, including the part of "being" "human".

What I am trying to get at is this, man creates himself, in the image of what his desire is.

"Man", literally did create himself, from his indigenous nature. We are beyond "existing" we are "alive", and able to perceive a form to great to comprehend, rather a lie manufactured to enslave our feeble minds.

Man comes from the consistancy of existence, which means that man's nature, is nature's nature (if that makes sense), and in turn, man's nature, created man, which created man' s nature.

We did create ourselves, from the view that even as tiny little cells, we still had an "unknown" or "unconscious" motive.

 

[AntEmpire]

So we would still be if we had not given labels to describe ourselves?

Catholics, Christians, and Satanists alike would not be, had not some greater form of consciousness created them. Who would be more likely to change something than the one's who describe this given existences?

You can say that chairs, mathematics, and science exist, but I say they don't, because they are human frabrications, including the part of "being" "human".

What I am trying to get at is this, man creates himself, in the image of what his desire is.

"Man", literally did create himself, from his indigenous nature. We are beyond "existing" we are "alive", and able to perceive a form to great to comprehend, rather a lie manufactured to enslave our feeble minds.

Man comes from the consistancy of existence, which means that man's nature, is nature's nature (if that makes sense), and in turn, man's nature, created man, which created man' s nature.

We did create ourselves, from the view that even as tiny little cells, we still had an "unknown" or "unconscious" motive.

No more than proto-dogs created dogs. We just ******, developed language, and the word man slipped out of some of our mouths on an island in europe. I'm still not seeing the creating part.

Create:to cause to come into being, as something unique that would not naturally evolve or that is not made by ordinary processes.

to evolve from one's own thought or imagination, as a work of art or an invention.

Unless you're talking about the word Human, or the concept, but those aren't the same as what a Human is, words are empty, they're dead.

 

[mahmoud mrt]

I have a middle degree of bipolar


The suffering is horrible, but there are good things in my life, I eat whatever I want, I play games, I work in a respectful job, I go to the mall and watch whatever movies I want.


90% of things I asked God to do for me He did.



I understand that this is a very hard test by God, and I should carry on and fight it, it’s a purification process so that I will deserve heaven by His will


I feel God in every breath, I love Him, and I pray to Him to [FONT=&quot]guide [/FONT]me to succeed in this very difficult test.

AntEmpire: may God cure you, your sister and your mother, i know how you feel every day, i experience it, Amen


Regards

 

[iholdit]

Errr, i get to decided whether i was created or not? >_<

Like it or not you were created just ask your parents. You have no say in whether you were created or not, unless you believe this is all part of your uncreated imagination, at which point we are all created by your imagination so we are still created, except you of course.
Regarding the op. Here is how epigentics works, everything your mom and dad ate for example had an effect on you. Not just your mom and dad but even what your grandparents ate had an effect on you. So if they smoked cigarettes or drank or did drugs or ate lead paint as a kid etc. all of that ties into your genetics. So you want to blame a god for your grandmother eating lead paint?
You have to look at this from the perspective of a god. If agod created everyone to do everything that the god wanted we would all just be puppets. What is the point of that? You or i could make puppets and they can say or do whatever we want would that make us gods?
A god would make a creation that can think for itself and make its own decisions and have its own experiences etc. As already stated in this thread we would been initially made perfect but over time we would have decayed due to any poisons etc. our parents etc. ate or were exposed to in their lifetime.
You can blame a god for this but do you blame a god everytime you decide to eat something you know is unhealthy or any other mistakes you consciously make? Yet those decisions effect your offspring and the world.
Can a god fix it all? Sure, but whats the point of that. Do you follow your children around forcing them to do whatever you want like a puppet or do you let them make some of their own decisions?
We have free will and we can restore the earth and ourselves(humans) back to perfection over time. Your body can heal itself to an extent and if you follow a good diet and not be exposed to drugs or poisons etc. there is a better chance of your children not having a disease or disorder etc.
Rather than blame a god, we need to take responsibility as a whole for the world we live in and how that effects our children and their children etc.

 

[ninerbuff]

God did not make us with mental disorders. God made us perfect and all we need to do is realize our perfection and perfection will be tangible. WE made mental disorders because we continue to deny our natural state of perfection.
I realize what I have stated here may hold no substance for you so let me put it this way: The world as most of us perceive it is very flawed. It is as though there are threats to our security and well being around every corner and the business of security as most of us know is extremely profitable. It is in the best interest of those who provide security to perpetuate our fears so that we will continue to invest in there services.
Then there is the pharmaceutical companies. It is not in there best interest to cure mental illness for if they did they would put themselves out of business. Long term profits are perpetuated by treating symptoms rather then finding cures.
We constantly bombard ourselves through media how pathetic we are as a race, yet we seem to use this information to place ourselves above or below others. |There is much more WE have done to ourselves of course, but God had nothing to do with it other then give us free will.

It's obvious you haven't studied genetics. You do understand that many illnesses (especially mental ones) are hereditary?