God and Depression

[iholdit]

God still made the system that would make the way my parents lived effect my personality. God could've easily made everything on earth to not be harmful or poisonous to human's, but he didn't. If you believe god created this world then the responsibility is with him, unless god was ignorant then, why would you worship him?

Well i don't give my children the choice of love me or be tortured, so i've got your demented heavenly father there.

You see I don't think god is responsible, I don't believe he exists, not the god of the bible anyway. So I don't blame god, please remember this is all hypothetical.

You would be a puppet if there was no harmful plants or substances etc. You would only be able to choose good things and again what is the point of that?
The responsibility is with us. We can choose whats best for ourselves and our children or we can choose to harm them by what we do.
You are still blaming a god(hypothetical or not) for something your parents etc. chose and probably for your own mistakes as well that your potential children or someone elses children will pay for.
Lets say you take a fork and stick it in an electrical outlet and get electricuted. Should we blame the company that made the fork? Should we blame the electric company for providing electricity? Or should we blame you for sticking the fork in the outlet?

 

[sniper762]

YOU are the "only" one that decides how you are to face life each day. ITS YOUR CHOICE

why not make it a good one?

 

[sniper762]

i dont " assume" anything, ant. you know what that does

 

[Rainbow Mage]

Why would god make people with mental disorders? (my sister is bi-polar, I have mild depression, my mother had constant anxiety)

Now for this thread assume a supreme being that created humanity exists. Why would he/she/it if it cared for the people it was creating make them with mental disorders? This can slippery slop slide into discussions about retardation, or even physical or even babies that are born and destined to die a painful death weeks later, etc.

I do not believe in a creator deity like Christians and Jews profess to believe in based on the Bible. If I did, I would have to conclude this is an evil deity, or else, an extremely imperfect one, not all powerful like they hold.

 

[dyanaprajna2011]

YOU are the "only" one that decides how you are to face life each day. ITS YOUR CHOICE

why not make it a good one?

It's not as simple as that. Our minds are programmed from birth to think in a certain way. And then there's upbringing, environment, and other factors that all go into determining how our minds act and react to our external circumstances. This is basic psychology. But, I think you're coming from a viewpoint of total free will, which I deny.

 

[sniper762]

ptbgay, did budah condone homosexuality?

 

[Rainbow Mage]

ptbgay, did budah condone homosexuality?

Buddha said nothing about homosexuality. He spoke of going after someone else's spouse and pedestry (sex with minors).

 

[sniper762]

he who cannot make his own decision does not have control of himself.
so, i wonder who does,

 

[sniper762]

do YOU think he would have condoned it? if so, what makes you think so

 

[dyanaprajna2011]

he who cannot make his own decision does not have control of himself.
so, i wonder who does,

Yes, hence, the basis of Buddhist practice. To regain control of our minds from the things of reality that are illusory. It's not as simple as you make it out to be. You are the product of genetics, upbringing, etc, and that has conditioned you to think a certain way, which causes you to act a certain way. This is not free will, this is determinism, which is the idea that I accept. So no, I don't have full control over myself, but what does? The Five Skandhas, attachment and craving, wrong view, especially of the Three Marks of Existence.

 

[sniper762]

ptbgay, per wikapedia

The third of the Five Precepts of Buddhism states that one is to refrain from sexual misconduct; this precept has sometimes been interpreted to include homosexuality. The Dalai Lama of Tibetan Buddhism interprets sexual misconduct to include lesbian and gay sex, and indeed any sex other than penis-vagina intercourse, including oral sex, anal sex, and masturbation or other sexual activity with the hand; the only time sex is acceptable is when it performed for its natural purpose of procreation

 

[Rainbow Mage]

do YOU think he would have condoned it? if so, what makes you think so

I cannot say since he did not address the matter. He also did not address any sexuality period much. He himself was asexual, meaning he had no sexual desires, and only had a wife and son to please his father.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

ptbgay, per wikapedia

The third of the Five Precepts of Buddhism states that one is to refrain from sexual misconduct; this precept has sometimes been interpreted to include homosexuality. The Dalai Lama of Tibetan Buddhism interprets sexual misconduct to include lesbian and gay sex, and indeed any sex other than penis-vagina intercourse, including oral sex, anal sex, and masturbation or other sexual activity with the hand; the only time sex is acceptable is when it performed for its natural purpose of procreation

Any interpretation to include homosexuality would be guesswork, since the only sexual misconduct the Buddha ever clarified was pedestry and taking another person's partner (adultery)

 

[dyanaprajna2011]

ptbgay, per wikapedia

The third of the Five Precepts of Buddhism states that one is to refrain from sexual misconduct; this precept has sometimes been interpreted to include homosexuality. The Dalai Lama of Tibetan Buddhism interprets sexual misconduct to include lesbian and gay sex, and indeed any sex other than penis-vagina intercourse, including oral sex, anal sex, and masturbation or other sexual activity with the hand; the only time sex is acceptable is when it performed for its natural purpose of procreation

This is incorrect. The Buddha never addressed homosexuality, the idea that it's wrong comes from later commentators. And in Tibetan Buddhism, I'm not sure what the Dalai lama has said on the subject, but in Vamachara, sex is important to Tantric practices, so the idea of sex for the sole purpose of procreation doesn't mesh well with this idea.

 

[AntEmpire]

YOU are the "only" one that decides how you are to face life each day. ITS YOUR CHOICE

why not make it a good one?

Do you yourself have any mental dysfunctions?

Not caused by god? God caused human parental genetics, he wrote the code, and unless your god is ignorant he knew what he was doing and how the genetics would work 400 million years down the line, let alone a few thousand years.

 

[AntEmpire]

You would be a puppet if there was no harmful plants or substances etc. You would only be able to choose good things and again what is the point of that?
The responsibility is with us. We can choose whats best for ourselves and our children or we can choose to harm them by what we do.
You are still blaming a god(hypothetical or not) for something your parents etc. chose and probably for your own mistakes as well that your potential children or someone elses children will pay for.
Lets say you take a fork and stick it in an electrical outlet and get electricuted. Should we blame the company that made the fork? Should we blame the electric company for providing electricity? Or should we blame you for sticking the fork in the outlet?

So there is no point in the ultimate goal at the end of this system for christians, to live in a perfect world forever.

With that logic you would blame ones who preformed the action, and all the consequences for that action?

 

[AntEmpire]

I do not believe in a creator deity like Christians and Jews profess to believe in based on the Bible. If I did, I would have to conclude this is an evil deity, or else, an extremely imperfect one, not all powerful like they hold.

I concur

 

[Willamena]

Why would god make people with mental disorders? (my sister is bi-polar, I have mild depression, my mother had constant anxiety)

People with mental disorders deserve to exist as much as anyone else.

Now for this thread assume a supreme being that created humanity exists. Why would he/she/it if it cared for the people it was creating make them with mental disorders? This can slippery slop slide into discussions about retardation, or even physical or even babies that are born and destined to die a painful death weeks later, etc.

So you want to be someone other than who you are --but then it wouldn't be YOU that god made...

 

[mohammed_beiruti]

Wouldn't an all knowing God know? is what i think he was asking. I'm like 99% sure, but I may have been created slightly retarded so i dunno.

Ah i think i understand what you were saying more.

No if god was all knowing, he would know the will even if it were a free will. If god isn't all knowing, it makes him a little less godly so i usually use the first in hypotheticals.

If someone became blind, this would be as a test for him.

if he was patient and thanked God , God would reward him.

 

[Commoner]

People with mental disorders deserve to exist as much as anyone else.


So you want to be someone other than who you are --but then it wouldn't be YOU that god made...

That depends to what extent it defines you. Are you saying I wouldn't be "me" if anything about me changed? If that's so, then there is no me anyway.

You know, that's like asking - would you rather not have lost your entire family in your teens? If you hadn't, you wouldn't be "you". Do you want to be someone other than you are?

Would you rather the murderer hadn't killed your family? Maybe you should thank him?

It's entirely irrelevant to my judgment of the murderer's actions whether or not I want to change now. That's not the point.